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Pixelfed will be a year old in a few days.

I'm a high school dropout that has never taken any CS or computer classes.

Web development is just a hobby of mine, I work in the auto industry.

I'm so proud of this project, I never would have imagined that I could make something like this.

Thank you for helping me realize credentialism isn't so important as you think. ❤️ :pixelfed:

I'm overwhelmed by the amount of support I've received from this post.

I used to be very self conscience of the fact I'm not a "real" web dev and still use php.

This community is amazing and I'm glad I can contribute back in some small way.

@dansup
I still remember when I was finally awake for when pixelfed.social registrations were open. Great work man

@dansup That's pretty amazing. Thanks for contributing such cool, useful software for the world to use.

I urge you to consider continuing your formal education. You would obviously do well there. Higher education has been an incredible benefit to me, and has greatly enhanced not only what and how much I know, but how I think, my impact on the world, my career, and my life in general. It has made me a better worker, and a better person. Education has enriched my life in countless ways.

@michelamarie Thank you!

I couldn't afford to go to college or university (due to bad grades) so I got into a red-seal trade (auto technician).

My younger brothers have degrees and I'm so proud of them.

@dansup @michelamarie 5 years of CS taught me a lot of cool stuff. But about 0 practical things for Web development. Sure foundations and so on... but also relatively little focus. If you know what u want, time can be spent much better

@Transflux @dansup Well, I won't dispute that, or suggest that there's anything wrong with not having a degree (absolutely not!).

That said, college and university give one so much more than just the foundations in a given profession, be it CS, finance, or what ever.

The thing is, a university education teaches one *how* to learn, and how to think rationally. Then, it shows one how to put that knowledge and thinking to work on hard problems.

@Transflux @dansup Then there's all those other courses that are required for a degree -- languages and literature, math, Earth sciences, social sciences, economics, philosophy, that are instrumental in developing one's understanding of the world and how to operate within it. People often seem to underestimate those, but I am quite convinced they are at least as important for one's life and career as those directly applied to a major.

@Transflux @dansup Finally, there's information like this (bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/unemploy).

At the *macro* level, people with university degrees simply make a lot more money, and are a lot less likely to find themselves unemployed or automated out of a job.

Of course, that's statistically speaking. So there are plenty of examples of people without degrees who make just as much money, and are just as unlikely to be unemployed, but it is not usual.

@Transflux @dansup All that said, I totally hear you. One definitely does not *need* a degree to become a very good web developer

My comments mainly came from hearing about dansup's story & abilities & deciding to encourage him. I'm a huge advocate for higher education. I believe that everyone who wants to attend should be able to do so, and that it helps elevate society and people's lives. Even so, it's not something everyone has to or wants to do, which I very much understand & respect. 🙂

@michelamarie @dansup I agree on everything :), and of course the facts... are facts. Ethics should be mandatory for all sciences. Now with ml, it becomes more apparent. Philosophy of science... but 5 years for orientation.... :abloblamp:

@a_breakin_glass @michelamarie @dansup totally. I have to admit, I was the first in our university cs program with BSc. / MSc. In germany. the structure was all over place. Semesters full time classes, breaks full time learning for exams.Only at the end of my master there were some things fixed in this regards for next generations. Good thing studying was cheap. Just for the debts u make (at least in the u.s. ... that's just crazy) .
How's Canada?

@Transflux @dansup Yah. I think it's always tougher, but probably exciting, to study under a newer degree program

Canada is amazing! 😀 I actually got my undergrad in the US. That school was solid, but not as good as the school I went to for my master's degree. The schools in Canada are of very high quality. The cost is generally higher here than Europe & generally less than in the US

I really loved getting my degree here (and my undergrad too!). I learned so much, and did a lot of cool stuff!

@dansup No worries. It's true! 😀

With regard to getting in to college or university, you can actually take courses at a community college without declaring a major or joining a course of study, and taking one or two courses at a time -- this is what I did, because I was working full time and didn't have the money to study full time. In doing it this way, you will have good grades in college on your transcript. Then you can declare a major, get a diploma, and transfer to university! 🙂

@dansup You can do that no matter what your grades in high school were (those are quite irrelevant at this stage), and even if you had poor SAT/ACT marks, or didn't even take those tests at all -- those don't matter much in your situation either.

Nice work on getting a trade certification. Those seem to often be really stable gigs, and any courses you took for that might also be applicable to other programs.

@dansup
if you want to increase your skills, you can watch lectures from MIT OpenCourseware on youtube. they have computer science and many other subjects.

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUl

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@dansup Not sure what you mean by credentialism, but this clearly shows you have a talent and a passion for what you do.

@dansup
You made something amazing. That's pretty dang inspirational to a lot of us who didnt do CS in school.

@dansup
Its an amazing job you are doing. Please keep on going 😁

@dansup It's a real cool thing to learn. I hope it sticks with you. In every corner of the world there's people trying to justify themselves with credentials. Unfortunately, people are constantly changing the bar. And we strive on endlessly after what? Validation from others. You've done something you're proud of. That's so cool. Thanks for sharing. I really want to find pride in myself and not worry what others think. You're an inspiration.

@dansup Congrats from this senior dev without a CS degree!

@dansup having credentials has become a shortcut for doing actual work, getting your hands dirty and showing results is the real deal ... hats off to you, that's really inspirational! Thanks for all your hard work #pixelfed is an amazing gift to the federation:) Thanks for all you do!!!

@dansup Technically, I only had gr7 when I moved into the world on my own at 15. All of gr8, but no french.
electronics hobbyist I talked my way into board repairs and field work at 17 and flew a lot for 10 yrs. Bosses said no one cared about paper.
Late 20's, did two years college. Challenged the intake. 1st year very boring. Took telcom.
Where's the paper? No idea. No one ever asked for it.
I have fav comp langs now, but don't know exactly how many over the years. I'm happy you pushed through.

@dansup I'm not a "real" dev either. We use the language best suited for us. We work with the environment we're given.

I have to work with IIS, PHP, and Microsoft SQL...

*weeps*

@dansup (I actually only weep because I'd much rather be running nginx or Apache. Microsoft SQL is great. IIS is...not great.)

@dansup I am a "real"* webdev, and I also use PHP. I have papers and everything and can program** in 10+ languages. Still use PHP.

(*Whatever that means)

(**Not necessarily _good_ programs, but working programs :P)

@zatnosk @dansup not a web dev and can sorta hack PHP scripts together to do work with a lot of trial and error. Glad there’s some great projects and “real” devs using PHP ❤️

@dansup You make webs, isn't that the meaning of being a web dev?

PHP is still a language. A horrible one IMO, but it's a language...

You are a web developer. Probably a good one.

Don't bring yourself down mate.

@dansup IMO, if you write code, you're a developer. Even if it's HTML. 😉

@bhaugen
PHP is a tool. You learn a lot by using it. In the end not the tools are the interesting parts, but thinking about how to solve a problem, implement an algorithm and learn from kind and helpful people.
@dansup

@dansup
In your situation: Don't worry about the school too much. Some of the more amazing coders I know have had little or no education, they just happened to love coding.

I often hated school, it was something I suffered through to get the job I wanted; as someone told me: "school is something you do to get a job so you can learn how it should be done".

Also education is next to free here so I didn't have to worry about the cost too much either.

@dansup
Bless you friend. As a fellow high-school dropout who's into wrenching as a hobby but stumbled into a career in PHP development, your project is an inspiration!

I want to build a modular Mastodon clone in PHP, just to show off how much faster and more efficient it can be than Ruby and Node. :blobowo:

I'm making it my next personal project, and your willingness to build this with the tools you had is largely to blame. Thank you! :blob_laughing:

@dansup just found it now and it looks awesome! Congratulations!

@dansup as a senior web dev, you are unequivocally a web dev. And it's been awesome seeing a fellow Laravel dev bring the platform into activitypub. Keep growing the platform while expanding your skills; and if you ever choose to get a proper dev job, Pixelfed is an absolute testimony to your skills, 100% proof positive.

Project management, full stack dev, open source community involvement, continuous integration... my friend, you're a force to reckon with.

Education system is a scam. Mostly people follow it for reason and that is to earn good monthly wages. Place we would/are work/working require a piece of paper that tells that we attended some place for few years to get a professional skill. It has become a time based thing rather then education.

When the reality is people are brainwashed and most educated people are part of it.

Education goes on all your life. Skill development do not require going to any place but a proper equipments and good tutor.

Disappointed to be part of the Education system. I should through my degrees in bin.
@anmol @dansup "Scam" is a bit too strong, but yes, it fits that pattern. I think it's more realistic to say it takes away a majority of peoples free will of the trajectory of their lifes direction for the benifit of people currently in power. A scam takes something people currently have, schools take what might have been, scams are rouge perpetrators, schools are an accepted practice.

"Brainwashed" is also a bit too strong, but yes, it fits that pattern. I would just leave it at culturally programmed into a way of life without freethinking and objective decisions about what is right and wrong about the system itself.

Schools have a tendancy to crush people who are slightly "other" in any way to the power structure. This is a tragic deviation from Pareto Efficiency of society. People who could have been world class thinkers in society get crushed down into ditch digger status because the gatekeepers didn't like something about them.

@dansup congratulations! I still haven't posted anything but I just have to get around to it. It's the only thing resembling Instagram I've even thought of using!

@dansup Congratulations on this project. I'm working to launch an instance soon to join your community.

@dansup congratulations!

I'm a self-taught programmer too (finished my high-school exam from home). I haven't used PixelFed yet (waiting to set up my own instance) but your project gives me confidence that I can build something too!

👏 👏 🎉 :pixelfed: 👍

@dansup not having a degree doesn't imply you can't have a future in a specific field. If that really bugs you, you can always try doing a MOOC : it's not necessarily expensive and you could continue to work at the same time. I tend to think that in the field of web dev, the practical skills and past accomplishments would be more valued than a diploma without experience.

@dansup your tireless and relentless work on this libre open source federation platform is a huge example to be looked up to! Thank you for contributing to a better world with this!

@dansup Thank you so much for all of your hard work and dedication to making pixelfed such a wonderful project. We are indebted to folks like you, because when one contributes to open source privacy-minded solutions, we ALL benefit. I have been working in cloud architecture and kubernetes for 3-4 years now. If I can ever be of help to you, drop me a line!

@nubd Thank you for the kind words! I will likely take you up on that offer in the near future 😉

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