@dansup Wouldn't it be better if Pleroma's bubbles were gold-orange (as per their logo color), and Mastodon's were blue (ditto)?
@tromino Definitely. Especially if the support for e2ee like Axolotl or Omemo or such can be figured out. And I heard, Mastodon team was working on it.
Throw in the multi-user conferences (which is probably easy - just tag more people), voice/video call negotiation (webrtc or something - jitsi meet does it, and it doesn't even need logging in) and small things like read statuses - and bingo. We have THE perfect communication platform. And if everyone else adopts the same standards, that's it. Matrix and XMPP can just go home at this point.
I do think protocols like xmpp and matrix will still be useful to have around, but activitypub messaging servers could be good for people with certain use cases
@mgrondin adoption rate, that's why.
For the communication tool, this is the key factor, as a communication tool makes no sense if there's no one to communicate with.
Right now, XMPP's adoption rate is dead on the ground. Matrix is a bit better in that regard. Both of them are dwarfed by the Fediverse.
If the Fediverse successfully implements its own chat protocol, it will propell the idea of true secure instant messaging to the heights it has yet to see. 4,5 megausers is nothing to shake a stick at, at our numbers.
And, there can actually be a synergy effect in this kind of integrated solution: the social network will promote the chat adoption, and the chat will help to "sell" the social network even better.
@mgrondin It comes down to how many apps you want a new convert to install and how many accounts to create.
People get VERY irate if you give them a handful of programs each requiring another account on a different server infrastructure.
It's a miracle if you even convince them to install just one.
More integration = less apps to manage = less resistance to adoption.
@mgrondin and yes, I still think that Matrix sucks - exactly because, from the user's perspective it's 'just' a reinvention of XMPP.
But the crucial point of the solution I'm talking about is extending the thing a lot of people already have with the functionality akin to which people here already do - which is conversing using private messages.
@sean No that was just a joke, all messages are blue. I'm not familiar with Pleroma chat, this should be compatible with any implementation that uses Mastodon-like direct messages.
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