All it costs to fulfill the average person's needs for digital services is a $5 per month VPS instance. It's even cheaper if you buy a single board computer and host your services at home.

We've been letting companies steal our personal data and sell it to the highest bidder and destroying democracy in the process all to save what? A coffee a month?

This is one of the worst deals in history.

#privacy #selfhosting


Woah. I think you just landed a major way geeks can help move this sort of thing forward.

Declare yourself captain of a small ship, metaphorically speaking.


@RussSharek @strypey People are already doing community hosting. Some notable examples are #framasoft and #disroot.

FreedomBox was involved in community hosting too, in a few villages and university campuses. That reminds me. I should continue writing this WikiBook.

@strypey @RussSharek I'd say that it's no longer a hardware problem, since today's ARM boards are more powerful than the servers of 20 years ago. It's just a matter of creating software that makes it convenient enough to do self-hosting.

Isn't one smartphone per person inefficient too? If each person can have an ARM device in their pocket running client applications, they can also have another ARM device at home running server applications. We just have to build the software for it.

@strypey @RussSharek Well, I want to grown my own food and harvest my own energy. Guess I'm a weirdo! But I totally agree.

I'm thinking about a use case where self-hosting becomes a commodity like smartphones. It might still not be desirable for everyone, but it should be possible and not very hard to do.

Ideally, these companies shouldn't have forced us to resort to self-hosting in the first place. I fear the same may happen with agriculture in the near future.


@strypey @njoseph @RussSharek The problem I've seen with the 'family-/household-hosted' model is that often, the job of maintenance, upgrades, etc gets left to one person to deal with.

If that one person moves out, or has a falling-out with the family, or otherwise no longer has the time and contact to deal with those issues...

Even if family/household/group hosting is an option, it's still important to ensure that there's more than one person who can handle that side.

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@dartigen @strypey @njoseph @RussSharek there is also a privacy / trust issue here. If a single person was looking after server instances for their 100 to 200 friends, then it would become a big deal among that community for that person to be trustworthy. People could no longer tell themselves 'who would want to spy on me' because the relevant person would know them personally.

@highfellow @dartigen @strypey @njoseph @RussSharek

Yes this!

This kind of thinking illuminates a big part of why I'm interested in people getting together (forming communities/commons) for the production & maintenance of services & stuff (I've currently got a big focus on food)

It brings possible upsides and downsides of that thing back into focus, rather than being obscured behind what is often massive, complex opaque infrastructures of delivery.

@dazinism @RussSharek @njoseph @strypey @dartigen that's an interesting way of looking at it - to put trust and other issues into the foreground rather than just one of those many background issues that leave me for one feeling uneasy about my relationship with information tech.

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