Most atheists only know about one religion well: the one they disowned. But they tend to make careless assumptions about the rest when they "oppose all religions equally". And since they are quite uninformed about other religions, they easily fall prey to bigoted narratives.
I have to admit, it disturbs me how bigoted theists can get.
And how closed they can be when it comes to listening to other people's beliefs & faith & experiences...
@dearthofsid am an atheist, all I see in religions is distractions caused by bitterness,resentment for each other & division which eventually deeds predators who disguise as representatives & exploit each religion. Shouldn't schools,better healthcare & jobs be the priority & enjoying life be the goal....but no, let it be. As an atheist I get enough debates just because people want me to trust a higher-power.
@itsbhavikjoshi As an atheist, that's what you see. Theists see a lot of value in what they are doing. There's no forcing them out of it because the constitution guarantees everyone their right to faith. This has nothing to do with schools or hospitals, really.
@dearthofsid @dearthofsid in India it really does have a lot to do with almost everything ranging from schools to hospitals. Don't care about forcing them out if they can't see the futility of the exercise. It does lower one's ability to accept new things but again no law against it. People kill in the name of religion & at times law goes quiet about that too, so I agree... religions rock.
@itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid it could be a cliche response but the biggest war that this world has seen to date wasn’t fought on or for religion .. this biggest destructions that are happening now in the world m Syria and Yemen also not for religion .. yes people do kill for religion but people kill for many other things as well for example for women love .. should be call love bad then ??
@Sabawaheed @dearthofsid upto you. I see women,can feel love, oil, ego & many more reasons/excuses of war. I never saw a God so I never get why that brings hate/division but it does especially in less developed nations its influence is downright terrible. If your belief in religion is harmless, then your conscience can be free of guilt but those who use something mythological as an excuse of violence, have no defense.
@Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid
As an atheist, I second this..
Religion has been used as a tool for capitalism and fuel wars.
The answer to the general question,
"Why muslims are seen as terrorists?" Is because that's where the oil is.
Had it been in India , Indians would have been the targets and islam would have been replaced by Hinduism.
@Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid all these terrorist perpetrations are for strategic political goals including that of ISIS, just that they use religious narrative or rather a prism as their identity is all, which unfortunately was the most wicked one. I'm of the strongest opinion that it was a CIA ploy, so was AQ was created, nurtured, funded and trained by CIA for their own strategic benefits.
I know there are Israeli officials on record saying that their goals better align with ISIS than with Syria, but I haven't ever heard anything that direct from an American official.
@Sabawaheed @CZubair @dearthofsid @itsbhavikjoshi I've been watching clips this morning and I've yet to hear her say anything about 9/11. It's all about Afghanistan, which is something that nobody doubts and is accepted history. Similarly, that we supported Al-Qaeda offshoots in Syria is something that has been openly discussed. But I haven't heard anything about an open admission of support for ISIS, which would be a pretty big bombshell.
I mean, I certainly think we had a hand in ISIS, but if there's someone of Clinton's tier stating it on camera in an official hearing, I would be quite surprised.
Happy to wrong here if I am though.
@CZubair @Sabawaheed @dearthofsid @itsbhavikjoshi I have, and that's what I'm saying, US military / intelligence to the Islamic radical movement in Afghanistan is very well established, nobody really disputes that. But it does not immediately follow that we did the same thing with ISIS. It's certainly probable that we did, but unless I'm really mistaken, there is nothing official on record, like a congressional testimony, that admits to it.
@CZubair @Sabawaheed @dearthofsid @itsbhavikjoshi and even the Israeli statements that I'm aware of are just statements that lightly acknowledge that their interests are served by ISIS remaining an active force in Syria and Iraq. But again, that Israel prefers chaos in Muslim countries to stable regional powers isn't really secret, it would still be a big jump to see a full on admission of collaboration or aid, though it's reasonable to suspect that there is.
@dearthofsid I thought atheism is a stance, a position. It has nothing to do with knowledge of a religion or religions.
@dushyant You're right. Atheists are those who don't buy the idea of God. I'm talking about the faultlines in their politics.
@dearthofsid care to elaborate? This sounds like it would make an interesting and insightful blog post.
Not sure if there's enough content for a blog post here. All I'm saying is that like theists, even atheists know mostly about the religion they're born in and are unaware of the other ones. For theists, the ignorance tends to create a feeling of superiority and this is discussed widely. For atheists, the ignorance plus contempt for all religions tend to create a feeling of bigotry against other religions because they see them through the lens of their ex-religion.
@dearthofsid That makes sense. How does this feeling of bigotry manifest for some atheists in your view?
My strategy as an atheist is essentially to never assume things about religions, including my own and especially the others, and make blanket statements. I make it a point to talk to the practicing folks of the religion to understand about it, before offering any criticism.
Not direct responses to your question but please go through these threads:
@dearthofsid I think I see what you're saying here. As a friend once said, even if you become an atheist or agnostic, if someone were to come up and say the word God to you, you'll picture deities only in the dominant religion you were raised in and left behind. Great insight into how many atheists are bigoted. I've struggled understanding Dawkins or Savarkar for this contradiction.
@dearthofsid in addition, few debate points encompassing only extreme examples of fundamentalist strains in dominant religions made in reply to your thread, I feel do fall prey to what you've outlined. It is absolute surety that can lead to extremism, and atheism isn't immune. People under extreme poverty or structured op often find belief (=/= religion) liberating, and a source of community. Belief can be as basic as imagination/stories. &Atheism also needs some axis of privilege in our world.
@ardie well said.
@dearthofsid @lowPolyAntithesis Within my group of friends who turned away from their religion together through discussions and debate, there is a tendency to be aware of generalizing about other religions. It always makes sense to criticize specific parts of the religion and that too of ones own religion
@dearthofsid Most Indian atheists I know of oppose Christianity and Islam. For them Hinduism is a way of life and not religion. 😂😂😂
@jimmzmatt Yeah, I've seen some of them too. Not many though.
@murlal @dearthofsid It's not a thread roll, but if you link to the post you can see the entire thread: https://mastodon.social/@dearthofsid/103112888276163318
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