Neoliberal Universal Basic Income (UBI):

- Give folks X amount a month
- Remove the social safety net (free healthcare, etc.) “because now there’s UBI”

Progressive Universal Basic Income (UBI):

- Pay everyone a living wage
- Also keep the social safety net

Very different things.

@aral does a progressive UBI (“PUBI”) do anything to make sure your mincome doesn’t just get soaked up by landlords raising rent?

@garbados @aral

you can't have a progrssive UBI without rent control imo

(I can't believe I forgot when I was a kid rent control was a thing here, and I'm not *that* old)

@emptyfortress @garbados @aral I think you could do it without rent control if you simply had municipally-owned or state-owned housing that just got built taller in response to demand

basically attack the housing problem from the supply side - where it actually is - rather than the price

@bhtooefr @aral @garbados @emptyfortress Lack of rent control is bad. But as far as I can tell, rent control on its own doesn't seem to work either.

What are some good examples of rent control that works? Are there any cities that has done it right?

@loke @aral @garbados @emptyfortress Yeah, I don’t think it’s sufficient either - if the property is privately owned, capital will prefer to develop and maintain uncontrolled property where profit margins are higher instead, and will find loopholes in the rent control laws to maximize their profit (for instance, many of them effectively have tighter restrictions on rent for rented units than unrented units, which creates an incentive to make existing tenants move out somehow to be able to raise the rates).

Have democratically-owned property, and you might get somewhere (although I’d also warn against the tyranny of too-local democracy, as evidenced by homeowner’s associations). Ensure an oversupply of housing, and you might get somewhere.

@bhtooefr @loke @aral @emptyfortress direct provisionment gang logs on to say "price is a bad organizing principle for the means of survival. just give everyone a house"

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