"[Facebook] gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages."

Is "I'm not on Facebook" the new "I'm vegan" meme? It's unclear.

But leaving Facebook is probably easier than going vegan. You should .

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As someone who's done both, I will say that no one ever accused me of being selfish by being #vegan, but I did get that by not using #Facebook. I "It's selfish of you to demand that people contact you the way you want them to, rather than using their preferred way of communicating (Facebook in this case)". For the record, I never demanded they contact me at all. Meanwhile #email, text, #Wire, #xmpp, #NextCloud talk and phone can all reach me.

@Blort Very interesting observation. One of the hardest parts of taking down Facebook is overcoming the social pressure that Facebook users impose on others.

Creating technical alternatives to Facebook isn't impossible and has been done. But convincing people to be early movers away from Facebook is another story.

requires the courage to start a social trend and set an example for your friends.

@Blort I've been accused of being selfish for being #vegan. For example ultra-leftists have accused me of "lifestyle activism" that's alienating to "the masses". People have said it's selfish to refuse to eat animals products if they are a gift, or someone cooked me a meal without realizing they put animals products in it etc. Going vegan is much easier now than in the 1990s because it's become more common and more socially accepted. Refusing to use FB will get there eventually.

@strypey @freedomboxfndn

Interesting. By the way, I actually did go vegan in the (early) 90's... Yeah, a lot has changed. In my city there was one restaurant that had a few explicitly vegan options back then. Now there's entire guides as to which are the best vegan restaurants of the year.


> I actually did go vegan in the (early) 90's

I became vegetarian in the mid-90s. Gradually transitioned to vegan over the late 90s/ early 2000s. There's definitely a point where all one's family and friends know one wants to eat a vegan diet, and one has to start absolutely refusing to each dairy and eggs, or face being constantly expected to "cheat" to fit in. Still grappling with that one ;-)

@strypey @freedomboxfndn I find the whole "it's selfish to refuse to use/eat a gift" thing weird. I mean, if someone gives a gift, presumably the point is to increase the happiness of the receiver. Therefore they should want the receiver to use it in the way that makes them happiest. If someone is going to get upset that the receiver politely chose to not use the gift, then it seems the giver is being selfish by putting their ego before the receivers wishes.

@Blort of course, it's silly, and it happens much less often as veganism becomes more familiar in a society. It comes down to how a vegan diet is conceptualized, either as a arbitrary lifestyle choice, like eating a paleo diet, or an ethical choice, like choosing not to eat human flesh. Nobody would be called selfish for refusing to accept a gift that had human flesh in it. But inconveniencing other people with faddish food preferences OTOH, it's easier to see that as selfish.

I doubt that. Sometimes there are connections to people on facebook that would be lost when closing your account. That is a pretty hard step to take.

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