Chromium's "trivial" subdomains: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=881410
This seems awfully shortsighted.
@fribbledom hmm, someone brought this up in my computer networking class and the professor said... it wasn't important??
It is a problem for anyone who cares about DNS and/or security. Maybe your professor doesn't belong to either group
Like regardless of if you think they were right about that decision or not, the fact is that through chrome and google search google controls traffic to enough of the web that it’s hard to stand up to them. They’ve done it before & they can do it again
@DialMforMara hmm, i never thought about it like that, but I guess you're right- there is a public misconception about the meaning of subdomains!
In Google's opinion, the www. subdomain is "optional" or "implied", which is why this whole thing is happening, apparently.
@ibagail it's the vermiform appendix of the internet
it even looks vermiform: www
Well, as the domain owner / DNS operator you can configure your DNS to respond in anyway you please. "www" is just a subdomain like every other.
The better question is: why did we ever start to prefix websites with a subdomain "www", when the service is already differentiated by the TCP port.
Legacy reasons I guess, the web was always an afterthought (and hence running on a separate server with its own IP) and not the primary goal of the Internet.
More than you would think. You don't usually see them, since they are mostly implied by the program you use, but here are a few examples:
ftp:// irc:// gopher:// smtp:// imap:// ...
There are literally thousands of established protocols, which are all based on TCP or UDP, but the average user will only ever hear about http and maybe ftp.
How did that work out for you?
@DialMforMara are you asking why both versions (with www. and without) are "allowed" to map to different locations? if so, i like barely know this from a class i'm in right now, but basically people came up with all this stuff when the concept of networks, much less the internet, were known only to a few! so they didn't necessarily know that so many domains would use the www. subdomain
@ibagail what other subdomains were there originally supposed to be at the same level as www?
@ibagail and are URLs that don't use www outside the World Wide Web?
@DialMforMara i don't really know about "originally" (or your other question- I'VE BEEN IN NETWORKING CLASS FOR 3 WEEKS SORRY AAA. but my professor casually said he used to own the domain for purdue.edu (my school)- he just had it first! eventually the school people came to his office and negotiated with him
`"subdomain.www.domain.com" displays as "subdomain.domain.com".`
what fuckin tech wizard at goog green-lighted this shitshow
@fribbledom I find this URL display mangling annoying in Safari. Sorry to see it get adopted by Chrome too. 👎🏼
@fribbledom Yeah, that’s a stupid idea. It will confuse many users over something they thought they understand.
@fribbledom This is a terrible idea in a number of ways
@fribbledom "They disappear in the steady-state display case because this isn't information that most users need to concern themselves with in most cases."
Actually, fuck off, suck dick
@fribbledom Why not get rid of the whole address bar in the "steady-state" then, the user isn't really concerned about the URL at that point, right??
@fribbledom Shortsighted is a word. I'd use the word moronic.
Even if implemented as intended, (And it's obviously broken as hell), There isn't a good reason to hide that information. There are minimal characters that this is hiding. Like four. Who doesn't have room for four characters?
I use firefox, which at the moment does not do this. But I imagine that if there isn't any significant pushback on this, someone at Moz will decide that they need to copy what Chrome is doing. Ugh.
@fribbledom WOW that is a terrible change.
I'd expect that from Win95 IE maybe, not when we have a strong understanding of the difference between www.domain.com and domain.com
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