@fribbledom hmm, someone brought this up in my computer networking class and the professor said... it wasn't important??


It is a problem for anyone who cares about DNS and/or security. Maybe your professor doesn't belong to either group :thaenkin:

@fribbledom @ibagail Even regardless of security its just a really fuarking dumb thing to do, AND its been implemented poorly and inconsistently.

If I have layer01.www.www.m.layer02.www.p7.co.nz that will get shortened to layer01.layer02.p7.co.nz

@tA @fribbledom yeah i read the thread and that shit looks UH OH

@tA @fribbledom
Why does the presence or absence of the www make a difference? Are there websites not on the web?

@DialMforMara @ibagail @fribbledom

so technically, the www. in front of a website is just a subdomain, like how layer13.p7.co.nz is, and www.website.com and website.com can be two completely different websites, even run by different people in some cases

@tA @ibagail @fribbledom yeah, I got that far on my own, but why is that allowed and/or not prevented?


@DialMforMara @tA @ibagail

Are you talking about the technical possibility to point these to two different addresses, or what the Chrome devs are doing?

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@fribbledom @tA @ibagail I want to know why it's possible for those two addresses to point to different places. You'd think there'd be some technical reason why they wouldn't, or that the W3C would attempt to put their foot down

@DialMforMara @fribbledom @ibagail Its no different to how docs.google.com and drive.google.com can be different websites, its just that public perception of what www. means isn't exactly correct, and now google are changing chrome in a way that perpetrates that false perception even more

@DialMforMara @tA @ibagail

Well, as the domain owner / DNS operator you can configure your DNS to respond in anyway you please. "www" is just a subdomain like every other.

The better question is: why did we ever start to prefix websites with a subdomain "www", when the service is already differentiated by the TCP port.

Legacy reasons I guess, the web was always an afterthought (and hence running on a separate server with its own IP) and not the primary goal of the Internet.

@fribbledom @tA @ibagail so were there enumerated alternatives to www that named different domain spaces, or as it anything goes and this one just caught on?

@DialMforMara @fribbledom @ibagail Anything goes. having www. is just a trend from the earlier world wide web, so people have kept it because of the perception that a website needs it

@DialMforMara @tA @ibagail

Anything goes, and with the commercialization of the web it became the de-facto standard.

Something prefixed with a "www." was immediately recognizable as a website address to everyone, and they could get rid of the "ugly" http:// in their ads.

@fribbledom @tA @ibagail speaking of http://, are there other transfer protocols still in use on the internet, and do they ever show up in urls?

@DialMforMara @tA @ibagail

More than you would think. You don't usually see them, since they are mostly implied by the program you use, but here are a few examples:

ftp:// irc:// gopher:// smtp:// imap:// ...

There are literally thousands of established protocols, which are all based on TCP or UDP, but the average user will only ever hear about http and maybe ftp.

@fribbledom @DialMforMara @tA @ibagail And under most systems with app marketplaces now, you've got bespoke app-specific protocols flying around for data transmission, like the Win 10 UWP Twitter app registering twitter:// URLs for opening stuff directly in their app.

@fribbledom @tA @ibagail I've heard of ftp, and xkcd makes gopher jokes occasionally. Can I assume irc:// is what IRC runs on?

@DialMforMara @fribbledom @ibagail Things like that are just shorthand for "Open this URL in whatever app you have listed under 'irc'", rather than a protocol they run off

*sniffle* I understand every word of this toot... TAKE THAT PROFESSOR COMER

@dax @fribbledom @ibagail @DialMforMara Yes, but only ever for my completely legal Linux ISO downloads and nothing else

@tA @dax @fribbledom @ibagail I've been scared of torrenting ever since I applied for a government job in college

@tA @dax @fribbledom @ibagail come to think of it, a lot of my decisions over the last six to eight years have been shaped by forlorn hopes of employability.

I’m gonna dye my hair at some point, but I want to know I won’t need to look “respectable” for an interview

@tA @dax @fribbledom @ibagail Australians call them thongs. In the US they’re flip-flops, and if, like me, you went to a summer camp in Wisconsin with an inexplicably large number of Australian counselors, you learned that fast.

they all had nicknames (we couldn't know their real names?) and to this day I don't know if my counselor called herself Blank or Blink

@ibagail at my camp they used their real names, but my favorite babysitter (and now-friend) used to be a counselor at a Girl Scout camp in Illinois and they all used nicknames

@DialMforMara @tA

I did not know that! TIL: there are grannies in Australia proudly showing off their new thongs.

@fribbledom @DialMforMara In Australia its common practice to take your thong off in public and hit your friend with it

@DialMforMara @tA @dax @ibagail

I see where you're coming from. Personally, I've decided that I would not want to work for an employer who hires people based on their looks. It's a filter that works both ways.

@ibagail @fribbledom @tA

I wish torrents haven't gotten such a bad rep, they're fantastic for distributing *perfectly legal* content across a wide range of users, and save hella bandwidth for server operators if they don't have to host the content all on their own

that reminds me, the other day my professor said p2p "was used for illegal purposes." WAS??? AKLGHALGH

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