Surprise, surprise, Raspberry Pi 4 has been launched!
Faster CPU, dual 4k HDMI support, up to 4GB RAM, USB type C, USB3 and (finally!) no more bottlenecking the ethernet port over USB2: full gigabit speeds!
Also: same old price 😍
@fribbledom this might as well be the innards of a laptop.
Omg you are not joking! Oops. You are completely missing the point of the right to repair movement. Please try to get more info before you start arguing with other people trying to convince them. I see you have good intentions, but this way you might end up doing more harm than good. And that's not what you want, right?
@majestyx sure, nobody can force you to be right. Though, you just lost your right to speak to me
Couldn't agree more. That's the one thing missing that makes me still consider alternatives.
@fribbledom Yeah... but still only MicroSD Card for main storage, no SATA interfaces...
And apparently they changed the general layout in such away that you need a new case (ethernet port changed position, new USB-C, 2x micro HDMI...).
But still an impressive upgrade and i'm already considering a usecase to justify to buy one 😁
Well now, the new ports meant they'd have to change the layout one way or another.
@fribbledom sure this was somehow imminent.
But i guess it also means a lot of obsolete case in warehouses and thus plastic garbage 🙄
@fribbledom Very much considering getting one of these for a play around on these cold winter evenings.
@fribbledom I've been thinking about getting a Pi for a couple weeks. Not sure if I'll be able to get the new one for a reasonable price in the Philippines though.
May be worth waiting, it's certainly quite an upgrade from the previous model. Best of luck!
@fribbledom Just read about it. Looks very promising. Now we'll have to wait for the distri maintainers to catch up.
@fribbledom darn, USB-C is power input only
@cinebox @fribbledom gpio is also an option: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/specifications/
@fribbledom ...and already sold out ;-)
@fribbledom Wow i totally missed the news :o
I´ve been using one of those as my actual desktop for a while, but stopped because it wasn´t able to play video on raspbian correctly. It would be amazing to have one of these newer ones even if it was just because of the gigabit ethernet! It makes it a capable little server too ^^
@fribbledom now, which OSs will support it? BSD pref.
Sweet! I wonder what video codecs are hw accelerated...
Unpopular indeed 😂
What could you possibly not like about USB-C? Are you hoarding old power supplies? 😆
@fribbledom Well, I do have most of my devices with pre USB-C connectors, but that is a deliberate choice to avoid USB-C. There was absolutely no reason to change connectors for USB, and the way -C is designed it allows ports to have different capabilities (for example ThunderBolt being optional, or charging), some combos of cables and ports can fry devices (granted, it's not very likely), and I would rather not have PCI lanes wired to a general purpose connector that any random device may use.
@fribbledom The PCI-on-a-connector is ThunderBolt, basically. And it's terrible from a security standpoint. Imagine any “cheapo” evil mouse or flash drive being malicious and having access to the PCI bus... Definitely a security nightmare scenario!
As you kinda point out yourself, USB type C is merely a connector standard though. I really doubt the Pi uses it for anything but power.
@fribbledom ...which in my mind is one more reason to keep a good old micro-USB for power, as it won't (supposedly) be used for anything else 🤔
Moving to USB-C seems like gratuitously making everybody change their AC adapters “just because”.
But certainly we can agree that type C is the much, much nicer connector standard? Perfect size, can't accidentally flip it the wrong way round, fits snugly.
Yes, we're making a bunch of existing cables obsolete, but such is progress, and it's really a relief only having one charger in your backpack to carry around with you.
@fribbledom Single charger does sound nice, and currently I only carry one for the laptop, and charge the rest of my USB things using one of the ports from the laptop, which is very convenient given that everything I have has micro-USB.
I kind of hate that the coming of USB-C also has reduced the number of ports which can be effectively used in laptops: usually there's two, one of which will be used for powering the computer. Currently I have three USB ports I can use independently.
@fribbledom scarcity of ports is not only due to USB-C, I know, but it helped. Also it's amusing how hardware manufacturers will blame ports for being too big, when in reality they blame is on their lazy design teams and/or fashion. If Sony crammed a full Ethernet port (and VGA!) in their Vaio X years ago, anybody should be able to fit half a dozen USB-C ports, Ethernet, and audio jacks.
1) The PCI lanes are a part of Thunderbolt, which as you said is optional. There's also opt-in before a device gets DMA or anything fun. You can also fully disable Thunderbolt in UEFI.
2) The big motivators for the new connector were reversibility (both of the connectors and the ends of the cable), power delivery, and a sturdier connector
@fribbledom Fack, I literally ordered a Pi3 last week. It's on its way right now.
@fribbledom is it good enough for a home NAS? Or should I find something x86 instead?
Well, it still doesn't come with a SATA port, but if you're planning to attach external USB3 drives, it may indeed be a viable option now.
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