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Apparently kids find nothing on a desktop more exciting than a terminal window with a blinking cursor 😂

@fribbledom Now you've got to explain to them the difference between terminal, console, and shell

@remram44 I don't know what the difference between a terminal and a console is. Does it have to do with the nature of the connection? Like using the "console" port instead of the teletype?

@brandon Consoles referred to physical devices that have no reality today. I think those can be used interchangeably., though we still sometime see them referred to as "virtual console" or "virtual terminal"

@remram44 @brandon In Linux, "console" usually refers to the text mode or emulated text mode provided by the kernel, and "terminal" refers to a windowed application.

But that's a post-80s distinction, possibly even a Linux distinction. Back when these were actual dedicated devices, I don't think there was a difference between "console" and "terminal" except maybe different communities had a different vocabulary.

Possibly "terminal" might have referred more to screens and keyboards separate from a main computing machine, and "console" might have referred more to a screen and keyboard considered part of a main computing machine.

@clacke Those are referred to as "virtual terminals" (VTs) or "virtual consoles" though

@clacke @brandon @remram44
this is a console and a terminal and a TTY. it’s a console because it’s desk-like peice of furniture with a cabinet. it’s terminal because it’s the I/O termination point of a maintrame or mini computer. it’s a TTY because that is short for TeleTypewriter

@clacke @brandon @remram44 the idea is you’re drawing computer or phone network diagrams, and they kinda look like railway network diagrams, and there’s spots on the diagrams that look like the “terminal” stations in the rail network.

@clacke @brandon @remram44 these quickly gave way for “video terminals” or “VTT” short for “Video TeleTypewriter” , very low power machines, not turing complete not quite computer that acted as a paperless drop in replacement for the typewriter thing.

@clacke @brandon @remram44
>Possibly "terminal" might have referred more to screens and keyboards separate from a main computing machine, and "console" might have referred more to a screen and keyboard considered part of a main computing machine.

This, plus console was used only by admin... or so I've heard.

I'd imagine the console would be in /etc/securetty, display bootlogs and bootloader prompt, etc.

@starchturrets Bash/dash/zsh is the shell, xterm/gnome-terminal/konsole is the terminal (or "terminal emulator")

@fribbledom honestly introducing folks to the command line is still like my favourite thing.

And then seeing how they start thinking about the possibilities.

@amiloradovsky @fribbledom that is, somehow, the one possibility that never occurs to folks beforehand.

@fribbledom Most kids of the latest couple generations (myself included) much more accustomed to GUIs, so it doesn't seem that weird they'd be surprised by the sparseness of a terminal.

@fribbledom Tell me the story, I'm genuinely interested.
I guess the different certainly has an attraction of its very own.

@fireglow

Apparently to a 10 year old it looks like something straight out of a Hollywood action movie, and something intense is about to happen every time I hit enter.

@fribbledom Hah, nice! And he's (probably) not even seen Die Hard yet!
And he's completely right, something intense COULD happen every time you hit enter.

@fribbledom
It's not telling/showing you what it does; it's asking what you want to do.

@naga @fribbledom
Most computers people grow up with today don't ask. They offer some stuff, you select, you do the appropriate thing, but it's not the mystery and potential of the blank page.

@fribbledom "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age"

@fribbledom my boss says the same thing about spreadsheets.

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