P.S.: No, I still won't call it GNU/Linux.

@fribbledom I never did, just to spite RMS/Fossbros. I was ahead of the game 🤣

@fribbledom To me it's elementary OS, Ubuntu, Arch, Guix, etc. Not Linux or GNU/Linux or Lignux.

I don't want people's impression of one to transfer to others. Especially elementary OS, as that has the most surface-level difference.

@alcinnz @fribbledom
If you really want to be that correct, you'd have to call it
Since Gnu runs on Linux not the other way around.
But nowedays it's more like
and if you use an Intel CPU
:troll: 🙄 :troll: 😩 :angry_trump:

@fribbledom this was always the most petty non-issue of the FLOSS world. People will call things as they like, as long as they're understood. Going to a war over it is pretty stupid in my opinion.

P.S. I've always been calling my GNU/Linux "Ubuntu", for example.

@fribbledom Obviously, GNU is male and so is Linux. So Gnu/Linux should be pronounced "GNU Linux Slash"

@fribbledom It was never called that as far as I'm concerned. It's like naming a car "GNU/Volvo" because someone used commonly available tools to build it.

@fribbledom That said, FLOSS community has a long and painful history of wasting time and effort on fighting fights like this while missing to get a "bigger whole" done (also see "editor wars", "desktop environment wars", "package management fights", "init system feuds", ...). Funny to see that, while we emphasize the power of collaboration and open-ness in theory, in practise it usually boils down just to the opposite of small, loud-mouthed camps enthusiastically bashing each other. 😉


You're certainly right, even though I don't think this has anything to do with FLOSS, but with human nature.

It's also Windows vs Mac, BMW vs Mercedes, Rock vs Pop, and so on... we seem to cling to grouping up in camps and enjoy bashing each other's heads in, to a certain degree. Alas... 🙄

@fribbledom I agree. Maybe it's just that, in FLOSS, there seems a bigger "contrast" here between values preached and actual practise. Yes it's all just human nature, but maybe a bit more "practise-what-you-preach" possibly wouldn't hurt here. 😉

@z428 @fribbledom I hear from those in the trenches that the "desktop environment wars" isn't actually a war... It just looks like one from the outside.

All the developers of the different desktops respect each others work, and will collaborate when it makes sense to them.


Being part of that group... well, sometimes more, sometimes less. We could certainly all profit from a bit more collaboration. But I certainly agree, it's a lot more respectful than the average reddit user makes it out to be 😉


If you call our operating system “Linux”, that conveys a mistaken idea of the system’s origin, history, and purpose. If you call it “GNU/Linux,” that conveys (though not in detail) an accurate idea.

But does this matter? Is it important whether people know the system’s origin, history, and purpose? Yes, because people who forget history are often condemned to repeat it. The Free World that has developed around GNU/Linux is not secure; the problems that led us to develop GNU are not completely eradicated, and they threaten to come back. When I explain why it’s appropriate to call the operating system “GNU/Linux” rather than “Linux,” people sometimes respond this way:

"Granted that the GNU Project deserves credit for this work, is it really worth a fuss when people don’t give credit? Isn’t the important thing that the job was done, not who did it? You ought to relax, take pride in the job well done, and not worry about the credit."

This would be wise advice, if only the situation were like that—if the job were done and it were time to relax. If only that were true! But challenges abound, and this is no time to take the future for granted. Our community’s strength rests on commitment to freedom and cooperation. Using the name GNU/Linux is a way for people to remind themselves and inform others of these goals.

People who know they are using a system that came out of the GNU Project can see a direct relationship between themselves and GNU. They won’t automatically agree with our philosophy, but at least they will see a reason to think seriously about it. In contrast, people who consider themselves “Linux users,” and believe that the GNU Project “developed tools which proved to be useful in Linux,” typically perceive only an indirect relationship between GNU and themselves. They may just ignore the GNU philosophy when they come across it.

The GNU Project is idealistic, and anyone encouraging idealism today faces a great obstacle: the prevailing ideology encourages people to dismiss idealism as “impractical.” Our idealism has been extremely practical: it is the reason we have a free GNU/Linux operating system. People who love this system ought to know that it is our idealism made real.

If “the job” really were done, if there were nothing at stake except credit, perhaps it would be wiser to let the matter drop. But we are not in that position. To inspire people to do the work that needs to be done, we need to be recognized for what we have already done. Please help us, by calling the operating system GNU/Linux.


Thanks, but I feel like I've released enough things under the GPL, LGPL, and AGPL, that I can stop constantly reminding myself of the GNU project 😂

@fribbledom I've got needlessly complicates thoughts on this, but they all converge on "just going to call it Linux".

Needlessly complicated thoughts 

@fribbledom Calling it GNU/Linux, let alone GNU+Linux, makes me sound like an annoying pedant and I don't need help there.
People truncate stuff like that all the time and this is exceptionally benign case of it.
While attribution is important, RMS' approach seems to have been to make it look like the kernel is a tiny part of the whole therefore implying it's trivial and how long has Hurd been under construction again? And how ready is it for home use?

Needlessly ranty thoughts 

@fribbledom And if the GNU project wants to be noticed by sempai so bad, maybe insist on calling the image manipulator the GNU IMP? I mean it's the single most popular piece of software with GNU in the name. Why not avoid the childish acronym and- I've answered my own question.

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