P.S.: No, I still won't call it GNU/Linux.
@fribbledom To me it's elementary OS, Ubuntu, Arch, Guix, etc. Not Linux or GNU/Linux or Lignux.
I don't want people's impression of one to transfer to others. Especially elementary OS, as that has the most surface-level difference.
@alcinnz @fribbledom if you're interested in the look andfeel of the GUI, or in the package management, then yeah, there are large differences. But if you spend most of your time in a terminal, or if you're interested if a particular piece of software will run on a particular system, then there are lots of similarities between distros.
Now, in the beginning, there was only GNU/Linux, so every distro was similar in that regard and there was no point of differentiationg GNU/Linux from Linux.
However, these days we have Android, Alpine, etc. which are much different in that regard. A piece of software written for GNU/Linux may have trouble running on Android/Linux with bionic libc, or Alpine busybox/musl/Linux with musl libc. Also, busybox feels much more rough than GNU coreutils - eg. busybox ps doesn't support any options.
@fribbledom this was always the most petty non-issue of the FLOSS world. People will call things as they like, as long as they're understood. Going to a war over it is pretty stupid in my opinion.
P.S. I've always been calling my GNU/Linux "Ubuntu", for example.
@fribbledom Obviously, GNU is male and so is Linux. So Gnu/Linux should be pronounced "GNU Linux Slash"
@fribbledom It was never called that as far as I'm concerned. It's like naming a car "GNU/Volvo" because someone used commonly available tools to build it.
@fribbledom That said, FLOSS community has a long and painful history of wasting time and effort on fighting fights like this while missing to get a "bigger whole" done (also see "editor wars", "desktop environment wars", "package management fights", "init system feuds", ...). Funny to see that, while we emphasize the power of collaboration and open-ness in theory, in practise it usually boils down just to the opposite of small, loud-mouthed camps enthusiastically bashing each other. 😉
You're certainly right, even though I don't think this has anything to do with FLOSS, but with human nature.
It's also Windows vs Mac, BMW vs Mercedes, Rock vs Pop, and so on... we seem to cling to grouping up in camps and enjoy bashing each other's heads in, to a certain degree. Alas... 🙄
@fribbledom I agree. Maybe it's just that, in FLOSS, there seems a bigger "contrast" here between values preached and actual practise. Yes it's all just human nature, but maybe a bit more "practise-what-you-preach" possibly wouldn't hurt here. 😉
Thanks, but I feel like I've released enough things under the GPL, LGPL, and AGPL, that I can stop constantly reminding myself of the GNU project 😂
@fribbledom I've got needlessly complicates thoughts on this, but they all converge on "just going to call it Linux".
Needlessly complicated thoughts
@fribbledom Calling it GNU/Linux, let alone GNU+Linux, makes me sound like an annoying pedant and I don't need help there.
People truncate stuff like that all the time and this is exceptionally benign case of it.
While attribution is important, RMS' approach seems to have been to make it look like the kernel is a tiny part of the whole therefore implying it's trivial and how long has Hurd been under construction again? And how ready is it for home use?
Needlessly ranty thoughts
@fribbledom And if the GNU project wants to be noticed by sempai so bad, maybe insist on calling the image manipulator the GNU IMP? I mean it's the single most popular piece of software with GNU in the name. Why not avoid the childish acronym and- I've answered my own question.
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