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@fribbledom where else is it supposed to put its old nintendo handheld consoles?

@fribbledom they JUST made a new file system why didn鈥檛 they just bake folder metadata into that?

@fribbledom so many parts of APFS are baffling to me. Like how it doesn鈥檛 do file parity and supports snapshots yet doesn鈥檛 work with time machine

@fribbledom (doesn鈥檛 work as the backup disk, works fine if it鈥檚 the disk being backed up)

@JarlavGrenlandUpir @fribbledom macOS Death Valley or whatever: the only thing we changed is this hidden file that most people don鈥檛 even know about

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To be sure everybody notices who uses Apple, so we poors of Windows and Linux recognize the real masters of the universe when we recibe a folder from a Apple user 馃檮
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@Benetako_Arkatiur @fribbledom I鈥檒l never understand why zip utilities and git don鈥檛 just ignore it by default

@cinebox @fribbledom AFS doesn't use them, but network and removal media (which don't tend to be AFS) still do

@cinebox @fribbledom I imagine that should have been possible since forever except when you run on a UFS volume (which nobody does), but I'm not sure. Do directories support multiple forks too? I don't see why they wouldn't.

@cinebox @fribbledom Jokes on you. Even HFS+ had that. But they decided to not use it so that it would survive when you copy to FAT32!

@js @fribbledom thats such a weird choice to make instead of only making .ds_store on incompatible filesystems

@fribbledom and they still manage to get in EVERYTHING. I swear it鈥檚 like the asbestos of the computing world

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windows still uses ntfs and drops desktop.ini and thumbs.db in every folder it touches

@Luxotek @fribbledom I wish they'd get rid of the . and .. files too. waste of space if you ask me

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Never understood what those were meant to do...

Icon positions. Finder creates them when you browser directories.

I thought they were related to the multiple-fork capabilities of Apple filesystems, but that's the ._* files.

@fribbledom Out of curiosity, what's a more 2020 way to do it?

Are not those files equivalent to .directory files in dolphin?

@jcromero @fribbledom If HFS+ and APFS have support for forked streams on directories too, not just files (and I don't see why they wouldn't, but it might be that they don't), that data could be added in a fork on the directory instead of these breadcrumbs lying around.

I don't know if it's the 2020 thing to do, it's more like a 1991 thing to do. My quick research tells me the classic Mac OSes only produced a FINDER.DAT (and a RESOURCE.FRK) when on MS-DOS media, not on native, so I'm surprised that OSX/macOS made the distinction to avoid ._* files on native (because it can use forked file streams) but still litters the directories with .DS_Store files.
1991 is when System 7 was released and included MultiFinder as part of the OS, but HFS is from 1987.

@fribbledom I haven't used a Mac in a decade and I'm still finding those things all over my NAS

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find . -iname ".DS_Store" -exec rename .DS_Store thumbs.db '{}' \;

(PS don't run that, I don't trust my memory, no one else should either)

@fribbledom Welll.... at least it is decentralized? 馃槣

@fribbledom given how they don't really give you full unix access anyway they should just hide them from tools that don't expect it.

@fribbledom doesn鈥檛 Windows 10 still make the hidden thumbs.db file?

@fribbledom I wouldn't care if it weren't for idiots including them in zip files for distribution. What are they, anyway?

@fribbledom I had to start using a Mac for the first time for work and the DS_Store files threw me for a loop.

@fribbledom Of course. MacOS only gets worse over time, never better. Especially with the last few major releases.

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