>The FSFE realises that we ourselves and the Free Software movement still have to work hard to be that place where everyone feels safe and respected to participate in it in order to fulfill the movement's mission.

Yeah they bloody do...

@fribbledom I am sorry but until the FSFE shows it's willing to talk to RMS about his controversial views WITHOUT cancelling him, and not reading between inexistent lines, I can't support FSFE.

the damage caused by this fuss is much more harmful to the community as a whole than whatever it is that RMS said that was taken waaaaay out of context and misinterpreted on purpose to take him out of FSF.

it's also interesting that everyone speaking against him are employed by big tech companies, huh

@juliank @xinayder @fribbledom Very thoughtful message, really adds another perspective to the discussion.

@xinayder @fribbledom Completely agree, not sure what's causing this irrational wave in the community where they just ignore any attempt at discussion and bury their head in the sand

@fribbledom @xinayder Have you seen the list of signatories of rms-open-letter.github.io/ ? plenty of people in there who are heavily involved in the Free Software side of things and don't work for big companies.

@carcinopithecus @xinayder @fribbledom
> someone who thinks down's syndrome kids should always be aborted

Let's follow the first link on this matter from the appendix of rms-open-latter: web.archive.org/web/2021032501
RMS said "I think the right course of action for the woman is to terminate the pregnancy" and literally "I don't advocate making rules about the matter".

@carcinopithecus @xinayder @fribbledom And let's follow the link about child pornography, again from rms-open-letter.github.io/appe: web.archive.org/web/2021032501
RMS says that production and distribution of CP should be illegal, but possession of images, especially if they are cartoons, should not.

I'll add that making possession of images a crime leads to unexpected consequences: incentive for cops to upload CP to suspect's laptops, and a threat for any internet service providers who make backups.

@carcinopithecus @xinayder @fribbledom Also footnote [15] links to web.archive.org/web/2021032501 and doesn't have the text they quote. It is the same link as [16]. Turns out nobody proofreads this appendix. They also say [16] is transphobic, but don't tell why. The only thing I found is that RMS suggests using "per" instead of "they" when one needs a gender-neutral pronoun, to avoid confusion with plural pronoun: web.archive.org/web/2021032315

@carcinopithecus @xinayder @fribbledom Using "person" instead of "they" in gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain is far from being "transphobic" though, as rms-open-letter.github.io/appe tries to put it. Calling it a "campaign against using people’s correct pronouns" would be appropriate if RMS insisted on using "he" for someone who chooses "they" as their pronoun, but this is not the case here.

@xinayder @fribbledom

I'd also welcome a much more balanced view on this topic like this one: wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-th

It is alright to question his capabilities on building welcoming communities (as the comment by doctormo does). But as the GNU kind communication guidelines show, he's at least trying to improve on this issue. (gnu.org/philosophy/kind-commun)

However, a sentence like "Free Software is meant to serve everyone regardless of their age, ability or disability, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, religion or sexual orientation." in the FSFE's or other statements on the topic, while certainly true, make it look like RMS wouldn't agree on that.

So the bottom line is: yes, RMS can come across very creepy and that might make people uncomfortable and possibly stop them from participation. That's not good. But this lynch mob attitude against a single individual and anybody associated with him can't be right either.

@fribbledom Good. The FSFE takes responsability and calls for throwing him out.

Sign in to participate in the conversation

Server run by the main developers of the project 🐘 It is not focused on any particular niche interest - everyone is welcome as long as you follow our code of conduct!