I feel like someone at Microsoft is watching KDE Plasma a little bit too closely...
Plasma's slogan since 2017: "Simple by default, powerful when needed"
Microsoft advertising Windows 11: "Simple by default, powerful by choice"
xfce4 maybe is not Plasma ...
I've installed Kubuntu 18.4 on a mid-range laptop from 2006 which can't even run Windows 7 -- works just fine. Rarely uses a large percentage of CPU cycles, even with desktop effects turned on.
It's a little more than xfce4 (well duh) but runs just as smoothly, looks nicer, is way more intuitive to people coming from Windows ...
xfce4 is probably better on pre-2000 machines, but I'd consider that a niche application.
@HackerBean @GNUxeava @fribbledom maybe because some recent testing said that it's true: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/23/bold-prediction-kde-will-steal-the-lightweight-linux-desktop-crown-in-2020/
But even if it wasn't "lighter" than xfce4, it is able to do more and if you're a power user like me you'll miss a lot of features that KDE provides (and xfce does not)
@fribbledom It's less obvious since windows 8, but i remember that when windows 7 was released, i was surprised by how close it's look and feel was to KDE 5 (released just some months before).
@fribbledom I like that slogan. Kinda like Emacs, well I mean you *can* do simple text editing in the beginning, and use the mouse and such, and few keyboard commands if a keyboard user, but then you get into all it can do and yeah.
@fribbledom i'm pretty much sure by now that devs at Apple and MS are slowly porting features they like from Linux desktops they secretly enjoy at home to their dayjobs. Merge that stuff with stuff you steal from the rival company, behold next release of Mac OS X or Windows.
@blindscribe @fribbledom "Open source" applies to the code itself, specifically the coding solutions on how to be able to do something, not UX or other non-coding design decisions. "Open source" does not mean the people behind the project waive all kinds of copyright claims to the project.
Although I think @cadadr was using "stealing" in the more colloquial sense of "blatant copying" rather than "breaking copyright".
what i mean is, the taking itself is not the problem. i tooted about this before, it's great that users of MS and Apple OSes are getting stuff we had access to as techies, and they're polishing and improving, even.
the problem is they're acting as if they invented things they grab from FOSS desktops (and each other, also), giving no credit at all. their way of doing workspaces is indeed very KDE-esque. the way compounded tiling works is both like tiling window managers with tag based workspaces, and also pretty similar to window grouping in BeOS / Haiku.
all i say is, just say out loud that "we took this idea from these sources, thanks to all of them", at least.
I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it in action.
Also: Right now I can tell people that KDE is way better for productivity and MS doesn't give a toss about that.
Just like SUA and now ssh integration took away the argument that I needed Linux on my workstation because connecting to Linux clusters from Windows was a pain.
Now they're trying to take away that argument, but ramping up the spying, which is much harder to argue against with some people ...
@fribbledom it's just another riff on "easy to learn hard to master" or any of those things you'd print on a motivational poster.
@fribbledom people often says KDE provides a Windows-like experience.
Turns out it's Windows that provides KDE-like experience.
I've always thought that KDE Plasma looks like the MS Windows user interface would if MS actually respected users.
@fribbledom if Microsoft takes the good from Linux, and improves on accessibility, then, it isn’t that the point of open source? To freely take and adapt, even if it means to make a profit? Open source software is not limited to how people take and use what is already there? It should not be for profit, but this is the nature of open source. Anybody can take anything, at any time, and use it for any purpose even people you may not like
@fribbledom The fuck does that even mean.
Did what they start simple they added power till it was bloated?
But less flippantly: I think they meant it be read as "powerful by (your) choice".
You know, invoke the same meaning as the Plasma slogan, except different enough to pretend no connection and made by people who are bad at slogans.
Once I looked at the Windows 11 specs, a lot more made sense.
It's not a release targeting humans at all.
It's a flex move on the OEMs that have been sitting on hardware updates.
DirectX 12 as a baseline system requirement, etc.
Most people won't see the OS until they buy new hardware, which will be faster and with better graphics thanks to the new system requirements.
The advertising language is meaningless. It just needs to be easily visually distinguishable as Not 10.
@fribbledom also when they announced it with the new tiling window features: "nobody else has this". HAhaha. Except for the 50 different tiling window managers on linux since forever?
@foreverxml That at least appears to have been @kde's doing. https://mastodon.technology/@kde/106493377784322284
@BalooUriza @fribbledom @gnome they've been doing it since Windows started https://crm.org/articles/xerox-parc-and-the-origins-of-gui
@fribbledom That Win11 version has some strong "we want this but with plausible deniability" energy.
In that it says the same thing, but in a clunky harder to read way.
@fribbledom - MS got free/open source software concept mixed up with speech plagiarism. I'm not surprised 😂
@fribbledom - Also isn't it funny that KDE initially started to cater for Win users (look and feel wise) and now MS is copying from KDE.
@fribbledom Maybe they should both work on slogans that aren't trite nonsense a 6 year old could come up with?
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