@fsfe
rms has to go, but matthias kirschner can stay with roughly the same allegations in the room? nice double standards :)

@bonifartius The allegations have been falsified in front of the Berlin Labour Court. Please find our statement here: fsfe.org/about/statement-20201

@fsfe Thanks for this! I didn't realize the FSFE was independent from the FSF.

This is a BIG deal and much appreciated:

"Therefore, in the current situation we see ourselves unable to collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which Richard Stallman has a leading position."

@lionirdeadman @fsfe

Nice touch to see that, of all ways to collect signatures and put forward a letter, they chose to use Github, well-known for its outstanding treatment of their own employees, not to mention their attempts at censorship, and the fact that they belong to the decades-long FOSS arch-nemesis.

Honestly, I initially thought this was a prank. This world makes less sense to me every day goes by.

@fsfe

I think the real liability is unquestioningly accepting misinformation, and allowing it to cloud our judgement.
The deviation of your irrational behaviour from your intellectual ability / critical thinking proves that you are willing to irreversibly risk the reputation/goal of the entire free software movement simply because you don't like someone, or, because of a personal grudge.

Preliminary board statement on FSF governance ~ fsf.org/news/preliminary-board

edit:"must not" -> "should not"

@fsfe
It would be easier for me and you, if the 90% of your statement had been to criticize the governance of the @fsf and its transparency (internally first, at the FSF's member's forum via an official representative of yours), and *after that* with a public statement like this one: fsfe.org/news/2021/news-202103

Why so rush for a statement just 24h after the surprise? Also, the 90% of your statement is like you have accepted the misinformation of media regarding RMS being sexist. Why?

:sadness:

@fsfe does the FSFE stand by this statement in light of today's events and the FSF's refusal to back down to mob justice?

@clacke @fsfe nope, I'm wondering if there will be a permanent split.

@clacke @fsfe nope, I'm wondering if there will be a permanent split.

@fsfe As terrible decision as to bring back RMS with this lack of transparency. Make this statement 24h after the announcement without allowing the FSF to explain themselves is just simply wrong, leaving yourself to the flow of the mob damaging the community. I think @fsfe do a great job but this is a mistake, a decision lacking of meditation and democracy that helps no one.

@librebits @fsfe FSFE waited three days before their official comment.

The FSF had every chance to make a proper announcement instead of springing this surprise on everyone. Nobody else can be blamed for the fact that they waited until several weeks after before explaining themselves.

@clacke @fsfe Right, I was mistaken with the date.But at that time I was still trying to digest the news, and I was at RMS talk at LibrePlanet when he announced it, so I had time. But still after three days with no much information what I had were questions "Why?", "is good to have RMS back?, "was this the correct way?", and asked FSF explanations. Instead, many organisations claiming being "sisters" just give their back to them, without demanding explanations, as if awaiting for this to come...

@clacke @fsfe I mean, I just sincerely don't understand that position. If someone, even more my "sister", does something that I don't have much info about I will wait until being able to have direct contact with the other person and try to understand what's happening. Look, in Debian they've done it. After some weeks they've (all contributors, no just the board) vote about how to face this issue. It turns out that "Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue" vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_

@clacke @fsfe And last, I'm not even sure whether I want RMS there. And I acknowledge that FSFs move wasn't transparent and risky, but to turn the back in this ways I don't think is a good choice either. And more when the reasons are not clear. @fsfe doesn't say why they don't want RMS there, they don's say of which charges they accuse him. He might be an asshole, stubborn and not appropriate for this positions but he's nothing that he's being attacked for.

@librebits @fsfe It was interesting and exciting to live in the post-rms era and to see what the FSF would become and how the community would reshape itself. Suddenly they just rolled back time two years and pretended nothing had happened. It was a betrayal and the community reacted with shock.

@clacke @fsfe Haha, it's actually great to being able to discuss about this with someone nicely. In twitter was the war... So it's great to hear the thought of the others and try to understand. And I indeed understand, as said I was shocked too for a week haha. But again, our community is small and fragile and this kind of tough statements just make more damage.

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