@gael The question is: can we trust in a GNU/Linux "made" in China? 🤔

@nikolal @gael Yes, but I'm sure it's not totally audited and who knows what it contains... I hope so.

@gael @nikolal You know it wouldn't be the first time some researches discover some backdoor in GNU/Linux programs, and so I'm sure it's almost impossible to audit all this distro, from the kernel to the rest of it.
But I hope it's safe. I trust more in other GNU/Linux distros out there.

@seguridad @nikolal Well... I would say that given the exposure of Huawei and the number of users they can potentially have, if they put backdoors in public open source code, it's just a matter of how long it will be found by the community or security researchers.

@gael @nikolal That's true, but I read this: "Right now these select Huawei laptops with Linux are only rolling out in China, via Huawei’s official e-commerce store VMall.com." and you know that China has a backdoor in all the devices and wants to control what the population do everywhere. So, it's difficult to think that they are not doing something with these laptops used by the people (hardware maybe?). I really hope that it's something good.

@seguridad
I think that people knowing how Huawei is will watch closely code that is run and hardware that is installed. Also Huawei implementing some code that isn't open source will get cracked easily imo by community and they will lose all legitimity for future, thats what I think they won't do anything hasty to implement backdoors. They need their own OS ecosystem outside US based OSes and thats why they choose Linux, no need for coding new OS atleast for the time being, much cheper
@gael

@nikolal @gael 👍 Maybe they will do something weird only inside China.

@seguridad @gael @nikolal lol, as if.

*If* they want to put in a backdoor, they would not use the public source code for that…
They just put a custom patch/binary into the models they ship… 🤔

@seguridad …, which obviously also means: just reinstall a fresh copy and you're likely fine.

@rugk Not really. It's not the first time, and not only in China.

@nikolal No, "open source" doesn't give a shit about users freedom and rights, as opposed to free ( = libre) software. Many "open source" projects contain proprietary crap and/or trackers (chromium, atom, etcher… )

@seguridad @gael

@nikolal Not "maybe". It's a fact. And it's easy to confirm for most software that tracks users.

And it's not only "some", the web is mostly build with "open source" software (even proprietary web software), websites that respects users privacy are still a minority. Even websites for "open source" projects (mozilla websites, wordpress.com, among others) contain trackers… Same for most "open source" android apps.

@seguridad @gael

@nikolal "Open source" is a only a way to resolve problems fasters, and building better/more software by reusing existing code. It's not about users privacy/freedom.

Most developers care only about technical issues. They don't give a shit about users privacy and other political issues… They have no problem with locking their projects inside proprietary silos with shitty EULAs (github, medium, slack, discord… ) and putting trackers in their software (esp. google analytics)…

@seguridad @gael

@seguridad @gael

No, but we can audit it.
(yes, it would be a collective "we" due to the amount of work to do so, that's definitely not easy, but it's doable with organisation and determination)

@gael deepin linux is too unstable imo, they should use xubuntu (for example)

@lucy Maybe the question is: why aren't they using XUbuntu? ^^

@gael my guess would be they implement something like tracking/ads that they couldn't bring to xubuntu as easily. they're still a company, so they try to get as much money as possible.

@lucy That cannot be hidden on the long run with open source software and a large community of users

@gael they don't need to hide it. also: software on linux isn't always open source.

@gael
DeepinOS is a Chinese distro.
Huawei is a Chinese company.
Why would they choose another distrib when they can just help another Chinese company benefit from the exposure?

They're just doing what any other company would do in their place.

@lucy

@gael
When I tried deepin, I read about some tracking going on, not backdoors but not privacy friendly apparently (in a similar fashion to Ubuntu I guess), can find some sources.

@gael Unsurprised here: trumpy banned them from android; they are moving on and were ready.

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