Actually, arguments in favour of "economy of form" which demand that media such as albums, films, books not "waste the audience's time" buys into the commodification of every aspect of existence by capitalism. Art should not subscribe to this commodification: it should resist it. So fill your novels with as many digressions, your movies with as many lingering shots and unnecessary scenes, your albums with as much filler as you feel like doing. I will be happy to waste that time with you.

Art isn't useful, that's the point. It's always a waste of time, so it's never too long.

@Kidsgobroke lol. I would never engage in "discourse". That just ain't my style


This reminds me of the story of Gessen. But everything seems to these days.


ok but at least can we agree that the LoTR uncut is a waste of my time

@garfiald I'll confess, I still don't like (long) movies because we got rid of movie intermissions. With movies, it makes me mad because screenplays "theory" tells you to cut everything that isn't essential and that everything should play multiple roles (which is also true of publishing most fiction, so I feel this in my writing). Basically my problem is if I get up for a piss and buy another coke and popcorn, I've lost 10-15 minutes of theoretically valuable exposition because of my bladder and desire for a snack. Plays let me piss! Operas let me piss! Ballets let me piss! It's probably no wonder I prefer plays to movies.

But reading this I was also thinking of, how every craft I take up, my family wants to encourage me by telling me I should open an esty shop for crocheting or whatever.

Besides the fact I'm not cut out to run a business, I don't want to turn my stress-busting accomplishments into a side-hustle! I guarantee if I did, it would be a stress-causer, and therefore useless and miserable to me. Why is the only way we feel we can compliment something is to say "You should make money off this". Or how every career counselor gives out that advice of "Do something you love and you'll never work a day in your life" I feel like there's a lot that can be said about this attitude.

@garfiald on a purely aesthetic level there can be something to be said for economy of form but... it's purely an aesthetic choice, not a moral one

@annebrennan there's no denying that plenty of works of art are especially remarkable for the way they harness tightness and brevity. But the notion that brevity is a value in itself, that, for example, any book will be improved by being shortened fails to account for works which revel in the incidental and the useless. These are values which I think have a specific resonance in relation to our current social situation and the pressures it imposes upon us.

@Estrusflask @garfiald everyone has been clowning on this reply for like 5 different reasons since you sent it, hope this helps

@garfiald Fuck yeah! The space between things is as important as the things themselves.

@garfiald Wow, there are people who even say things like this? I bet they are the ones who eat their meals in one gulp and say the food doesn't need to be fancy.
That time is not "wasted", it's what heals the mind <3

@garfiald i had an extended argument once with a peer who couldn't see why it was bad that conventional wisdom for submitting a game to the IGF was "make sure you have a really strong first ~5 minutes because otherwise people will get bored and stop playing and won't vote for your game". like, yes, i can imagine a lot of players of a commercial game doing that but this is ostensibly a festival for celebrating the cutting edge of a medium? i guess the epilogue is it's not the cutting edge, lol.

@garfiald oh damn, just saw that this post was very old. sorry for the thread necromancy; it was boosted into my timeline.

@jplebreton don't worry about it lol I'm always happy when people interact with old posts and your comment is interesting and relevant

@garfiald you hear that eminem? We want all the skit characters to come back. Make that shit work like avengers endgame.

@garfiald this certainly looks like a command. You would be a ruler if you had the power.

@garfiald Moby Dick is so fucking good. Whatever you do, don't read it for school.

@garfiald but consider: DVD menus, copyright warnings, and advertising

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