If anyone is wondering what I've been up to, I've spent the last 3 weeks staring at this extract from a 1982 interview of Michel Foucault and steadily losing my fucking mind

@garfiald I don’t want to be gay, so... Apparently I’m less than, not part of the hip rebel set. Seems like a hierarchy to me. 🤷🏽‍♀️


@Shufei that's right. heteros are an underclass

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@garfiald @Shufei as a lowly hetero myself i dream of one day suckin and fuckin my way to the top...

@garfiald Wow, that’s quite a misinterpretation. Who said anything about heteros?

@Shufei you did. if you dont conspire to restrict modes of life by constricting your sexual choices, then you fit within the text's definition of "gay". If you aren't comfortable being described by that particular word, that does not take away from the fact that the text is not subjecting you to the "hierarchy" you claim it promotes. in either case, you should learn to read.

@Shufei "people should strive to create new relations, which i like to call 'being gay'", is not the same statement as "people should call themselves gay"

@garfiald Gay means people who are attracted to people of the same gender and more or less only so. More specifically men who are so. Foucault’s cutesy poo word games only muddle basic information.

Being gay is not something to want. It is not something to *not* want. It merely is. And yes, fuck etiology too, biological or otherwise. To “desire” to “be gay” is pure sophistry.

@garfiald I can read fine, guy. But when people go word salad like Foucault it carries no useful information. I said nothing about being heterosexual, let alone claim it; your presumption to that effect negates you’re pal’s own thesis and proves my point. To create a value dichotomy between the good polymorphously perverse and those poor, benighted people who won’t just have sex willy nilly is literally a hierarchy. I know y’all pretend words don’t have meaning, but they do. “Gay” is one.

@Shufei it seems to me that you aren't familiar with the idea of context. maybe you haven't heard of basic linguistics, such as the siddon principle?

@garfiald Good job raising the level of discourse. You’re really showing your true colours here.

@garfiald PS, the “siddon” meme is cruel bigotry to those of us whose first language isn’t English. Just a thought, for the cool leftie kids who care about such things.


Foucault said all of this stuff at a time when discrimination against gay people was not only allowed, but also often mandated. He was not only fighting for his own rights, but promoting a liberation he felt would benefit straight people and give them more freedom in how they might choose to form relationships and live their lives.

The word "gay" has changed meanings a lot over time and this is a snapshot of one such moment - a move towards a change that didn't quite happen.


All the stuff he says about "gay", though, eventually got folded into one of the meanings of "queer" so he was just ahead of his time.

Trying to liberate people into freedom to consciously construct relationships that work for them instead of just trying to copy dominant roles and their parents is good, I'd say. I've benefited from this and I'm a straight guy.

Honestly, a guy trying to make a point about freedom and change how we think about words isn't oppressing you.

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