so disadvantaged students are getting worse grades because the skynet algorythm downgrades people for going to schools which have historically produced lower grades. genius system

the classic factors of lower achievement werent enough. they literally had to build an algorythm out of old cardboard and duct tape that actively lowers your grades for being poor

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multiple non-british people replying to this with "source?": this is happening in the uk, it was yesterday's biggest story, most british people know someone who was affected or someone whose child was affected, because all final year students sit the same exams. since students couldnt sit exams this year, the government took their grades at mock exams and the grades their teachers predicted for them, and fed it through an algorithm that marked people down for being poor

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@dockers yeah ive seen loads of stories like that floating around. very fucked

@dockers wait, what the fuck, your grade changes based on what school you're attending? how do people try to justify this? @garfiald

@Awizardofearthsea @dockers yeah lol. teachers were asked to submit predicted grades and to rank their students, if the grade is judged to high by the algorithm for a student of that ranking in that school, it gets marked down

@garfiald wow, no way racism and classism can manifest in that system, no way that unfiarly penalizes students for all sorts of reasons... @dockers

@garfiald @Awizardofearthsea @dockers

What the fuck? That just sounds like pure bullshit. That feels like the same energy as accusing the students in “Stand and Deliver” of cheating on the AP Calc exam, cause they basically didn’t believe that a bunch of East LA students could succeed at it.

@dockers @garfiald

Are those your results?

Oh my god, this is going to cause a disaster in clearing. Do universities have access to all the columns or just the third one?

@celesteh @garfiald luckily not mine, I did mine 12 years ago. Its absolutely disgraceful 😭

@dockers @garfiald

I'm a university lecturer, but I don't have anything to do with admissions most years. I hope universities are among those kicking off as this means we can't rely on results at all and our whole system imagines they have some degree of reliability.

Obviously the disruption to the student is the greater tragedy, but it seems nobody (outside of maybe oxbridge) could possibly want this to happen. Indeed, given how the government has been trying to disrupt new universities, I imagine Tories must feel proud of killing two birds with one stone.

@dockers @garfiald wait so on the practice test they got a c. on the final test they got a b, showing improvement after studying etc! but then the algorithm curved them down because??? is that what i'm seeing here, sorry our system works different i'm just trying to understand

@triz @dockers the centre assessed grade is the grade their teacher predicted that they would get at the exam

@dockers @garfiald looks like they're assigning grades based on a bell curve too. So much wtf. @OCRbot

OCR Output (chars: 522) 


Ofqual has warned that appealing against a grade
will affect other students from the same school

because of the rank order system.

It said if one student successfully appealed
against their position in the rank order it would
push another student down the ranking and they

would then need to be allowed to appeal.

Students can ask the school to check if it made a
mistake when submitting the grade or position in
the rank order, and if it has then it can ask the

exam board to correct it.

@garfiald what do "academies, comprehensives, and colleges" mean? I assume college is just a university

@Felthry i honestly have no idea. comprehensives are standardised and dont select students, i can tell you that much. and colleges are another type of secondary school but i absolutely do not understand what the difference it

@garfiald @Felthry Colleges are 6th forms I think, so where you go from 16 to 18 to do A levels

@RedFuture @garfiald This seems to be a whole lot of UK-specific terminology so i don't know what that means but thank you

@garfiald "you see where this algorithm runs into this other algorithm? isnt technology great. anyway thats why the poor should starve"

@garfiald Oy that's awful. Got a news article or anything on this? I've got some educator friends who'd probably want to see it and be apalled :(

@garfiald I misread that as "they had to build an allegory" and if that ain't true

@garfiald they really felt like the issue with implicit bias in standardized testing was the implicit part.

@garfiald In what fucked up reality was this better than just canceling the exams? Or at least delaying them. I mean shit ain't perfect but almost everyone took their exams remote this year in the US. I'm almost shocked my country didn't do this shit with silicon valley just salivating at the idea of permanent virtual classrooms.

@radicalrobit they did cancel the exams, the point was the students needed to be given grades in order to determine which unis they're going to next month

@garfiald Sorry I meant cancel as in like...don't give them these algorithmically produced grades.

is there a reason the UK didn't go full on virtual like a lot of other countries?

@garfiald I'm so sorry this shit's happening garf. this is straight up one of the most blatantly heinous things I've ever seen. Whose ever idea this was needs to be launched into the middle of the atlantic from a fucking cannon.

@radicalrobit the algorithm was probably cheaper than administering exams remotely @garfiald

@radicalrobit @garfiald
Do you know what happened to those students that did/could not attend remote exams in USA?
Have results been published yet? Thanks.

@radicalrobit @citc for the most part the US has been a lot less centralized about these things, not just re: covid but in general. Each University and often each college within a university has decided to handle things differently, so students are advised to ask the admission department what they'll be doing. Many schools have accepted that standardized tests were borderline bullshit without the quarantine chaos, so are disregarding scores. Others are saying that but still using scores.

@radicalrobit @citc End result: A lot of schools are using this as an opportunity to only let in the most profitable students, which is not a huge surprise, but at least they have the good taste to be sneaky and grimy about it vs what's going in the UK.

@garfiald how about making it so that challenging your assigned grade can potentially cost hundreds of pounds? Thatcher could only dream about this level of class war

@xmakina @garfiald Plus if your appeal is successful and your grade gets changed, someone else in your class gets their grade fucked up to balance it out

@RexMagenta @garfiald holy shit I hadn't heard about that element! How do the tories keeping getting worse? It's breathtaking

@xmakina @garfiald Gotta make sure nobody gets even the tiniest bit more than they deserve. How else can you be sure you deserve all the privileges you've got?

@garfiald I don't know if this is related to this fiasco but yesterday in a convo about this on a discord someone mentioned having had to pay the school to get their kid's GCSE regraded? wtf?

@ksynwa how the appeal process will play out is itself more or less unknown at this stage

@kragen yeah, but personally, when i see a post referencing news i dont recognise, i usually click on the thread to see if the other posts in the thread will provide further context. if the multiple people who replied assuming i was talking about something going on in their own country had done the same thing, they would have easily been able to deduce that i was talking about british exams

@garfiald I feel like people assuming that random posts pertain to things in their own country is kind of the same phenomenon as people assuming that whoever reads what they say will have heard about the local news they're writing about. in the US they call it "American Exceptionalism" but I don't think there's a term for it in the UK

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