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Hey community, I think it’s great that many of us have found our way to the fediverse and enjoying it. Maybe now is the time for a next step. Other communities have started their own Mastodon servers like phpc.social, ruby.social, or agilealliance.social. What do you think—should we have our own server (like ddd.social or mastoddd.one) as well?

@philipmay @mstine @ewolff @carolali @VaughnVernon @bitboss @mo @janekf @oliver @ntcoding @TonyBologni @yellowbrickc To summarize some of the discussion: so if mastodon.social and the like are too broad and ddd.social would be to narrow, would it then make sense that we join @indu and @nova (and also @kentbeck and @pragdave) and move over to Hachyderm?

@hschwentner Like it, but maybe too small? Go wider, perhaps? Also, from what I understand, it does require some work running, no? Moderation and such?

@hschwentner
I could, I was already thinking about it 👍

@hschwentner @philipmay @mstine @ewolff @carolali @bitboss @mo @janekf @oliver @ntcoding @TonyBologni @yellowbrickc @indu @nova @kentbeck @pragdave

No strong opinion here, but it seems like moving to a different server still limits options because you'll never have "everyone" there and topics will be limited by those who are there.

Besides, what does hachyderm mean? (I got a skin cancer scan on Wednesday and that's what comes to mind.) The only description I find is that it's a group of 'respectful tech professionals.' That's good. Still, I'd like to know more about why it's the place to be. (My choice for tilde.zone was based on finding a server that was accepting new accounts when others were closed due to heavy influx.)

@VaughnVernon it's a pun. Mastodon -> pachyderm -> hachyderm.

@sandyarmstrong Ah, cleaver. And derm does mean what it usually means, apparently.

@VaughnVernon @hschwentner @philipmay @mstine @ewolff @carolali @bitboss @mo @janekf @oliver @ntcoding @TonyBologni @yellowbrickc @indu @nova @kentbeck @pragdave Given federation, unless some of your chosen servers are fully blocked, does it matter much? it isn't as fully discoverable as twitter is, because there's no TL algo to help you find people.....

#hachyderm is like a hacky pachyderm. Good group, great admins. @nova has done a great job of keeping everyone informed as she moved the instance out of her basement

@VaughnVernon @hschwentner Not sure what "have everyone" is supposed to mean. Your followers and following can be from any instance - it doesn't matter unless they're on one your instance blocks. Just the firehoses (local and federated timelines, not very useful), "explore", and visibility into hashtags are limited by your choice of instance. And these things work best if you're on an instance with ppl whose values & interests overlap with yours.

@dalias @hschwentner Thanks. I know that. I question was possed that perhaps a group of individuals interested in some set of tech topics should move to hachyderm. My thoughts expressed the "why should I do that when I would still have to follow people not on hachyderm?" I don't mind doing so, but I don't know how that would "solve" the fediverse when it's not supposed to be "solved."

@VaughnVernon @hschwentner Avoiding following people on other instances isn't supposed to be a goal. Choice of instance is about (most importantly) having reliable operations and moderation. There's a sense of community in that too, and it helps discovering things you want to see, but there's no reason you need to try to get others to move to your instance.

@dalias As I said, I know that. Your continued assumptive comments aren't helping me, but thanks again 😅

@hschwentner

@VaughnVernon @hschwentner OK, sorry - I guess I was misunderstanding what you were looking for.

@VaughnVernon Respectfully, your question starts from the mistaken idea that Nóva's free, volunteer-run service cares whether you use it or not. People join this community because they like the people and the admins. Nobody has anything to sell you.

@shiftleftist @nova Thanks. I know that. A question was possed that perhaps a group of individuals interested in some set of tech topics should move to hachyderm. My thoughts expressed the "why should I do that when I would still have to follow people not on hachyderm?" I don't mind doing so, but I don't know how that would "solve" the fediverse when it's not supposed to be "solved."

Context matters.

@VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova I understand the question about moving. No matter which instance you choose, it's likely there will be accounts you want to follow on other instances. However, if there's a concentration of accounts with similar interests on a specific instance, moving to that instance may have local timeline and search (which is not federated) advantages.

@VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova So, there are a couple of things that you choose when you choose an instance:

* Admin team
* Mod team (sometimes same as admin)
* Local and global feeds

The admin team determines whether the infrastructure is reliable and efficient.

The mod team can affect what you can say and who you can talk to.

The local and global feeds are ways of discovering discussions outside your follows, but can be useless if too big/unfocused

@VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova so to choose an instance, take a look at who the admin is, if they have any public info about how they keep the infra running, how they fund it, etc

Look at the moderators and mod policy; do they match with your moderation expectations? Will they allow trolls to make your life miserable? Will they cut you off from someone you want to follow because of some beef with the admin of that instance?

@VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova and then go check out the local and global feeds on the instance. Search for hashtags you are interested in on them. These are a few methods of discovery on Mastodon. On big, general purpose instances, I've found the local and global feeds too noisy to be useful. On Hachyderm, it's a focused enough community that I find conversations to join on the local feed fairly often, though the global feed is still a bit noisy.

@VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova so yeah, federation means that choosing an instance doesn't lock you in; you can still follow people from other instances, as long as the mods haven't defederated from them. But the admins and mods are a lot more visible and involved in Mastodon than something like Twitter, and who you share an instance with affects your local and global feeds.

@unlambda @VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova I'd add a little color to that by calling the mod team "trust and safety".

Admins make sure the system is available, secure, and running well, mod team makes sure it's a safe place for its users.

I moved here because I have a ton of confidence in @nova and @quintessence's approach to governance.

@mendel @unlambda @VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova @quintessence

I'm going to try to simplify this for you.

If you like the server you are on, you probably shouldn't move. If you move, it's unlikely that your experience will improve. It's far more likely to degrade.

Slice and dice that however you like with operational excellence, trust and safety, relevance of local feed, etc.

@mendel @unlambda @VaughnVernon @shiftleftist @nova @quintessence

I am not on hachyderm.io, but from all of @nova's operational transparency, it's obviously one of the best. I probably would be there had I not chosen @SDF first and fell in love with the place.

@VaughnVernon Hi Vaughn, pleased to meet you. Let me introduce myself so that way you know someone from hachyderm. I work as a Cybersecurity consultant at Control Plane, specialized on Kubernetes and Fintech. Many of us know at some degree @nova, and her constant stance for inclusivity, open source, and Kubernetes. So when she set up this server, we knew the kind of environment she would foster, the effort she would put into it, and how it will attract the same kind of people.

@VaughnVernon @nova Some of the people that came are very know in the tech and open source scene (and also people advocating for inclusivity in general), so they have attracted even more that want to be close to then, that is, in the same server. Althou Hachyderm maintainers have been overwhelmed by the avalanche of people, they have demonstrated a great effort on scaling up and keeping everything running, sharing live every technical detail and decision.

@VaughnVernon Although you can migrate your account again in the future, it's rather inconvenient, so you are right considering if this is the right choice. If it's not, that's ok also! You can read more about it here: github.com/hachyderm/community

GitHubGitHub - hachyderm/community: Hachyderm Community ResourcesHachyderm Community Resources. Contribute to hachyderm/community development by creating an account on GitHub.

@hschwentner my personal opinion (of a person that still lurks in mastodon.social) is that servers tied to specific topics are too narrow indeed. I'd rather favour an open index (maybe on the wiki of the ddd-crew GitHub repository), that everybody can contribute their "DDD Profile" with MRs. Then it's more about the community driving it, i.e. mentioning it in conversations and talks.

My 2 cents.