I was on the CC of a similar long discussion you had about this the other day, which boiled down to "ethical purity" and whether "perfect was the enemy of good" or not.
Perfect doesn't exist. Cash delivery is about as close to perfect as you get from a privacy PoV & it still has issues.
#Liberapay is nowhere near "imperfect". LP puts every possible privacy abuser in the loop + it's *exclusive*. So it's firmly on the trash heap.
Reasonable methods that are good enough to fall just short of "perfect":
* publish an IBAN
* publish a cryptocurrency address
* open a US bank acct to receive paper checks/ACH.
This is non-seqitur logic.
#CloudFlare *is* by far the *top* adversary of the Tor community. There's no copyright issue to speak of & the urge to attack datamining is an excuse.. a motive; not in the slightest cause to consider CF non-adversarial to the Tor community.
"Btw, Liberapay is FLOSS."
If you find another service that runs the LP s/w, that's a different conversation. K-9 would do better to self-host that indeed.
@humanetech @totoroot @k9mail @af btw, why do you frame #datamining as a problem to begin with? I wrote a program to harvest listings of homes for sale, filter out the bad options & show the most suitable home to buy. The data mining actually found me the house I bought. I do the same thing to find the flights I want. Someone found her husband by data mining dating sites. Data mining is a *legitimate* activity.
@af @humanetech where are you quoting from? A car can be used for drive-by shootings. It can also be used to commute to work. The fact that it can be used as a weapon is lousy rationale to ban outright because it oppresses legit users. Of course #CloudFlare's business model will be consistent with their ethics (& lack thereof). It's not the profiting that makes what they do inherently evil.
@humanetech @af "If they wanted to ban Tor users from the internet.." <= CloudFlare's motivation is *profit*. A 403 is not optimal for profit. Forcing users to solve an #hCAPTCHA generates profit because hCAPTCHA pays CF via #Paypal for every CAPTCHA that users solve. This forces CloudFlare victims into a situation where they help their own oppressor profit.
@af @humanetech If you want to protect your copywrighted work, then don't put it on the open web. Blocking Tor users is a broken approach because nothing about Tor violates copyright. Your copyrighted works can be downloaded without Tor. It sounds like you want to abuse the purpose of copyright, and use it as a tool of oppression - to rationalize the marginalization of the Tor community.
@humanetech @af You seem commited to the old idea that corporate greed is inherently acceptible b/c corporations are not bound by ethics beyond the value of profit- that their sole duty is to profit for shareholders. I highly recommend updating that perception by listening to #KateRaworth: https://your-undivided-attention.simplecast.com/episodes/a-renegade-solution-to-extractive-economics-iYMsBb7p
@af @humanetech It also seems you're unaware of the full scale of #CloudFlare's impact on #netneutrality, privacy, human rights, innovation, software freedom, democracy, environment, & crime fighting, which is outlined here: https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/cloudflare.md
@af @humanetech @k9mail "CF doesn't block Tor users by default" <= nonsense. The default setting does block Tor, & naive admins who don't even know that don't know that they must change the default config in order to stop blocking Tor users. "abusers just use the Tor network so exit nodes get marked as abuse" <= nonsense, all exit nodes are blocked by default.
@k9mail @humanetech @af Wikipedia is a red herring. Wikipedia is not proxied through CloudFlare. "There's a whole industry built on abusing Tor," <= that whole industry is bent on abusing the Internet, with Tor and without Tor. There's also a whole community of legitimate users, both on and off Tor.
@k9mail @humanetech @af The Liberapay software can be self-hosted in a way that does not impose execution of non-free s/w on users, so long as CloudFlare is not used with default CF settings-- but these are not the conditions that k-9's donations are under. K-9 has jailed their donation portal in the privacy abusing walled garden of CloudFlare, on liberapay.com.
@humanetech @k9mail while I support people asking for sorely needed donations to meet necessary needs... especially for projects that are critical to many people...I hope this isn't intended as holding the project hostage until a goal is met.
We really do need K9Mail to be modernized to be usable in later versions. That's work, I do understand. I also urge the current sole dev to solicit other coders to chip in to help as well if the goal isn't met. FOSS is hard but I hope we can achieve it.
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