There's BigPharma
There's BigAg
There's BigTech

But is there a way the say specifically #BigSocial, ie. a way to describe the #SocialMediaGiants (Facebook, Twitter and YouTube specifically) in three syllables or less?

We don't feel comfortable using a term like #BigSocial, it just doesn't have the negative connotation that is needed.

Maybe the term "#dotcons" is the one to use…

Watch this space @humanetech, @nestort, @drq et al.

@humanetech
Thanks but seven syllables is too much. Not snappy enough.

Writing… copy. *winks*
@nestort @drq

@dsfgs @nestort @drq

Dictionary: Not social; unconcerned with society or social matters.

Dictionary: Having or showing a lack of desire for the company of others. Not social; not adapted to society; not tending to sociability; reserved; unsociable.






@humanetech
We like #VanityWeb, might be useful for some situations. Terms that center around #AntiSocialMedia, like UnsocialMedia are good but still too long.

Maybe #Fakebooks is more specific/better than dotcons.

The line is either, "Protect your family from the dotcons…"

or

"Protect your family from the fakebooks…"

then

1. Find a Fediverse server you like (…)"
2. …
3. …

BTW which is more understandable to the lay person, 'server' or 'instance'?

@nestort @drq

@humanetech @nestort @drq

Almost forgot BigData:
"Protect yourself and your loved ones from Big Data…"

"Social (control) Media" is too long for the line.

@humanetech @nestort @drq
'Big Data' is too cold, not witty (#puns are extremely important in #headings/#headlines to engage the #reader) doesn't cover the censorship aspects either.

Fakebooks has dual meaning but does it *read* well enough?

@dsfgs @humanetech @nestort @drq

The base of the problem we need to build our stores is the last 40 years of neo-liberalism. this was built on top of "capitalism" which the is little consensus about when push comes to shove so i build the story from #deathcult to spread (unpleasant) understanding as common consensus. to take the "politics" out of communication is to make noise and say little...

@witchescauldron

> to take the "politics" out of communication is to make noise and say little...

This is not necessarily true. One can also show an alternative path, and make easier for others to walk it. A path of solution-orientation and -application, delving and expanding on the many, many great initiatives that are out there.

@dsfgs @nestort @drq

@humanetech @dsfgs @nestort @drq Form my expirence of doing this for a very long time - if you take the "politics" out you fail - though I agre with you its hard to run projects with "polatics" at the core - its the ONLY way that works in the end :)

@witchescauldron

If you have initiatives that do not deal with politics directly, it does not mean that they do not stand to benefit from other initiatives that *do* deal in politics.

It both frees the initative, allowing more time to build solutions, and is able to appeal to more people.

On the other hand the more radical your politics are, the less people are inclined to follow you. In a way it slows you down, even if the goals are just and worth fighting for.

@dsfgs @nestort @drq

@humanetech @dsfgs @nestort @drq

it's an interesting stress i have tried to make work from meany directions. What i have learned is that there are no shortcuts that do not lead to failer... stick to the long game, human beings are "political" animals work with our nature - pretending otherwise is noise that adds to the mess.

Q. how do we share this non "common-sense" understanding that is so counter to #mainstreaming agenders?

@humanetech @dsfgs @nestort @drq the #mainstreaming common-sense on this subject comes from the #deathcult breed #stupidindividualism of our #postmodern world views.

If you take the "politics" out you take the humanity out is a easy direct way of looking at this failer.

@witchescauldron

> If you take the "politics" out you take the humanity out is a easy direct way of looking at this failer.

This is a pitfall of thinking, imho. Why is humanity and politics necessarily intricately intertwined? If I talk to my grandma there's a lot of humanity in it and zero politics. We can still talk about doing good to the world (and we do).

@dsfgs @nestort @drq

@humanetech @dsfgs @nestort @drq we are talking past each other - a common issue - look at the roots of words to try and keep conversations alive.

@humanetech @dsfgs @nestort @drq lets so some "polatics" here before the thried desends into a flame war (the #fahernista term for a cold war)

"War is a Failure of Politics"

@witchescauldron

By all means. I am not looking for a flame war at all. My only point was that showing an alternative path of solution-orientation that avoids the political pain points in the mainstream altogether, means that your initiative can avoid being political, spend less time in resistance and more time in progress.

@dsfgs @nestort @drq

"Apolitical" is, in most cases, either a lie or a fantasy. Everything is political to at least some degree.

What I agree we should cut down on is fear-mongering as a PR tactic.

We should talk less about "why our enemy is bad", and more about "why we are good".

We need to invite people to the idea that what we're doing is really, really fun.

That is not my idea, it's Evan Prodromou's. You know, the dude who invented the whole thing.

IIRC, that's the video where he talks about that.

conf.tube/videos/watch/c79457a

@humanetech @witchescauldron @dsfgs @nestort

@drq @humanetech @dsfgs @nestort

politics is the human condition without war - denying this is likely to end in war (hard or soft)

"Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations between individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status."

@drq @humanetech @dsfgs @nestort

Our "common-sense" desire to take "politics" out of the human condition is a direct product of 40 years of #mainstreaming #deathcult and is why we are facing social disintegration and ecological catastrophe.

Food for thought.

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@witchescauldron

I understand what you say. I guess the problem with the word "politics" - just like words such as "capitalism" and "socialism" - is that they are overloaded with too many meanings and controversy. To the extent that even using the words in any conversation leads to misunderstandings and discussions that are sidelining the topics at hand.

We really need new terminology to community new progressive topics that lead us to a brighter future for humanity :)

@drq @dsfgs @nestort

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@humanetech @drq @dsfgs @nestort thats one resion why I used the hastags rather than normal terms. most have direct translations #nothingnew

@witchescauldron

Could you explain what both these hashtags mean? Then we can brainstorm a bit on that..

If I had to guess then with geekproblem you mean the technical bias of devs, by which they cannot properly see or anticipate the needs of non-techies properly?

And nothingnew might mean that the solutions are already out there, based on common knowledge, common wisdom, commonsense, and if only we recognized that?

@drq @dsfgs @nestort

@humanetech @drq @dsfgs @nestort

Yep. let's try looking at #geekproblem maybe is a "children's" desire for certainty/control were adults except life is uncertain.

Computers give this illusion of total control. #failbook, #dotcons and alt-tech all suffer from this.

A "childish" delusion feed by postmodernism of their upbringings/social normalization "post truth" world we live in.

A view.

@humanetech @drq @dsfgs @nestort

#nothingnew is a process of moving away from #stupidindividualism yes most of the problem we face have already been solved meany times. Geting away from the churning of pointless new crap is connected to the rest of the "uncomfortable" #hashtags

NOTE this is not an attempt at finding solutions. It is an attempt to get people to step away from the current shitpile there are meany good better places to make a stand.

We do need "new" after stepping away.

@humanetech @drq @dsfgs @nestort

To put this in a unpleasant way our geeks are building core parts of our shared world in a sandpit that is overflowing with dog shit.

They happy/fighting to do this thinking it's the normal/the safest place to be.

Yes a bad metaphor...

@witchescauldron @humanetech @drq @dsfgs @nestort

Am interested in other "uncomfortable" metaphors and better direct translations of the existing ones.

@witchescauldron

It is a bias of sorts, where they do not see the bigger picture of where things fit, and what are the consequences of the things they build. Focused on an interesting technical challenge and the immediate feature / functionality that needs to be released. Often it is also about a technological trend or fad to follow, because others are doing it too.

@drq @dsfgs @nestort

@humanetech @drq @dsfgs @nestort

interesting to see a view looking at this from a "small" functional point of view compared to looking at it as a prime motivation for modern tribalism.

I think tribalism is a good way of looking at the world in the post-modern era that dominates.

No matter how much people say society does not exist - it obviously does - how to define these societies is interesting - maybe #hashtags tribalism is useful?

@witchescauldron
Perhaps #statusBlow? Technocrats blowing smoke up their own a$$es, while continuing to blow up the debtBased ponzi that started 50 years ago that is based more on speculation/#moneyPrinting than real valueAdded.

@drq, agree. #ConvivialSufficiency is the goal that we work towards. Community-focused dev. #Corporations have no place #speculating on the demise of #smallBusiness to make money off there carcass, but that is part of their "raison d'etre" today.

@humanetech @nestort

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