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I just wrote a plea on to think broader than just adding Groups support to the

Some apps support Groups, others just added them, like

But Groups are more of a technical concern. On fedi we have Communities just like in the real world. Community is key, but also *the space between* communities where social interactions take place.

I imagine a paradigm shift that can lift fediverse to new heights: "Community has no Boundary"

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In my post I mention a paper written by Aldo de Moor that's a MUST-READ to inspire on possibilities and opportunity that exists.

With proper Community concepts at the core of the we can flail the traditional social media dominators, as they'll find it very hard to match capabilities that we can now offer, with their centralized walled garden platforms.

Here is a direct link to Aldo's paper:

mdpi.com/2078-2489/9/7/151/htm

Related: Community Informatics

ictworks.org/internet-for-the-

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Agree.

Groups can be a breeding ground for #toxicity, #cyberAttacks and entrench #walledGarden aspects that past #fediDevelopers seem to have worked so hard to limit.

Who are the entities spearheading #fediverseGroups?

@dsfgs there are many ways to design them, and depending on app type + use cases they can all be valid. A common model should be flexible enough to support a broad range of these use cases.

When we talk about Groups on fedi we mostly view them in a narrow context, namely mostly as extension to a Microblogging domain, or FB/Insta-like apps.

Whether an impl. suffers the downsides you mention depends on design and requirements the devs take into account.

The core model doesn't encapsulate these.

@humanetech “The space between” is an important concept. On the Small Web, where every instance is an instance of one, public space is the space between individually-owned and controlled nodes.

#SmallWeb

@humanetech (We’re conditioned from tangible space to think of public space as a place. In the digital/networked realm, public space is the aggregate of the interconnections between sovereign nodes.)

@aral yes! It is 'the glue' of the as it were. And it represents how we "do social" in the real world.

I imagine the to evolve towards a hybrid model of , where there are server instances that host small to medium-sized communities, and more and more individual people connecting with their personal devices in fashion.

The nodes and servers themselves will be more of the technnical infrastructure layer. A 'community fabric' is layered on top of that.

@aral @humanetech that feels like how the internet was intended. Independent peer nodes that can interconnect and directly communicate freely from any point to any other. Mediating entities are not just friction, but centralization and artificial scarcity of interconnectivity.

@aral @humanetech

Perhaps we could start with a listserver, one that doesn't speak SMTP?
I'm not so sure if they can have no boundary though..

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