I think we need our own new word, and a word that still stands upon #decentralization
A word we commonly use, and makes it clear that #web3 is just another fork of decentralization.
And I mean Web3 has zero inspirational value, right? The 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 etc. versioning scheme has become entirely meaningless.
We should be able to come up with something better for our own #commons branch of The Decentralized Web.
Why do we need #Web even? It's where a spider catches flies.
We could be #SocialFabric.
Fabrics are things of human creation. Cloth. Intricate beauty woven by people, artisans, craftsmen. Then when we create social fabric apps we know they wield the fediverse.
#Fediverse is where different things can be interconnected to create something bigger than the sum of its individual parts.
We have most of the capabilities of the #ActivityPub open standards still largely unexplored. Potential not yet tapped into fully. We touched the tip of the iceberg and created federated Microblogging fabric.
Now let's extend that to the full range of human activity and in ways where online world truly enriches the real world.
We just weave.
As soon as our defeat is declared, we are going to need a new word. I like the elements you suggest (human, relations, creation).
To avoid yet another defeat, we may use a word that the free market and profit oriented world would be hesitant to adopt. A word consisting of a #commons element seems quite resistant to me.
I like the idea of moving away from "Web". It just doesn't fit anymore. It is too universal and everything is crammed under its broad categorization.
Our bloated browsers have become OS'es in their own right with the webapps they expose. Web is like internet. Too broad and hence non-descriptive.
Pick out those parts you do like and start promoting those. Even sell it as a first step if need be.
Focus on taking back control and use the hype to steer us towards that future.
I get your point and I kind of agree with you.
They make up many valid points against the web3 hype, but having taken economies of scale and #bigtech as granted, I feel they end up to inadvertently (?) defend centralization.
By engaging in #mainstreaming you do feed it, so need a balance on this one, question of keeping focus.
you maybe need to look at the culture to the thousands of videos appearing here https://visionon.tv to see the ones lively culture this thinking is coming from, it has a STRONG history that shaped the #mainstreaming you live in now.
Its #blocking arrogance not to try and look at this when pushing agenda agenst this history as you have been doing the last few years.
Yeah but I think this is what @bhaugen is referring to. You berate anyone that doesn't get your message, as having somehow a hidden agenda and 'mainstreaming' and all that.
If instead of complaining and convicting people so easily you might work with others, encourage them, inspire. I think you mean well, and you and I are after the same kinds of improvements to our world and society. But this blaming everyone for not being on your level is not very helpful, imho.
@humanetech am berating you here not the other two, that why I sent a post only to you.
I am one of the world experts on fluffy/spike direct action having made over a thound films on this over the last 20 years, in my family am 3ed generation of grassroots activism https://www.fourcornersbooks.co.uk/books/women-for-peace-banners-from-greenham-common/
So yes, am calling you out for #blocking thus damage. You are blind and dogmatic in fluffy pushing. This on balance is damage.
That is a direct reply, please look at the history http://visionon.tv
@witchescauldron well, you make absolutely no convincing arguments. I'll leave it at that, than you. Maybe we can agree to disagree on our approach to furthering the commons.
am telling you that your actions are on balance dangurus and #blocking and that's your ansear.
TRY HARDER, and I don't mean that in a bad way, as you can help build bridges if you build on non-capitalist foundations.
You can see what that use to look like here https://visionon.tv/videos/local
@witchescauldron maybe you should try harder to convey your message instead of talking in riddles.
I am volunteering like crazy to help many people with all kinds of initiatives that help people in general and humanity as a whole. And the I get the occasional small token of appreciation for that. Which is not what I am after, but nice to hear anyway.
Maybe you might question your approach for a bit as well. Be self-reflective if maybe you are in a purity spiral that hurts rather than helps.
@witchescauldron if you would like to have a vidcall to me instead of us mudslinging here, then I am available for that somewhere next week :)
@humanetech we have done this before a few times, the is no opening for a meaningful conversation. Message me when you feel ready for building bridges, am happy to build bridges as we do need them.
yep, the whole #encryptionist project is about creating an artificial (capitalism) scarcity in the digital plenty (commons).
@dimitrisk Tiny point, but "Commons" is popular in naming private real-estate developments around me. I don't think there's any *word* that isn't co-optable.
Okay, we don't need any word, we need real things; I don't know how to get there without words either!
When thinking of hashtags we need to bridge history while building in STRONG change/challenge so that they cannot be coopted with out forceing at lest some change/challenge in this #mainstreming in this act.
Closed and open are perfect for this.
Negative words used in a positive sense are good.
Organic is good as long as we keep the balence of fluffy/spiky and avoid pushing dogmatic fluff over everything.
#stupidindividualism is good, it has a negative, connects to history, neo-liberalism is based on extremist ideas of atomised society. And it leaves space for a positive - what is plain "individuals" with out the stupid, in this we do not through away the 20th century when we clearly label the 21st century.
Well, I traced the first two of these hashtags back to 2018 and the only one using them is you, and other people that don't understand what you mean and ask a question about them.
I don't feel they are very effective. And besides being hard to understand I also find them not that inspirational, tbh.
There is something to them. I see #Fediverse as having an Achilles Heel.
Many people think we've arrived and things will only become better from here.
But I feel that a combination of:
Leads likely to a Tragedy of the Commons scenario.
But it doesn't serve to advertise these negative sentiments too much, but instead address them, seeking possible solutions.
These are all the good things on the #fedivers
(is its roots, don't cut the roots if you won’t the plant to live!!!!)
- Individualism (let's make this less #stupidindividualism then its fine )
- Division (yep seeing a lot of that, this one is the killer)
- Self-interest (careerism is the hart of mastodon and mastodon is the by far the bigist bulk so this needs more diversity not criticism, let's build the #OMN)
But when it comes to activities that support / promote the evolution of the #Fediverse there's also extremists that are in a purity spiral, and they viciously attack anyone that committed 'cardinal sin' in their eyes. Dividing the 'good' movement from within, so it doesn't even gain strength to fight evil.
@Sandra yes, you expressed this very well.
I agree and also think there's much we can do to improve further so that all are able to find their specific niche where they feel comfortable. On one hand be with your cozy group, meeting new people, be surprised by great content, discuss and inspire. But also create, do stuff together.
On Fediverse Town another aspect was mentioned that appeals to me greatly: finding local connection through our tech, by @nicksellen
Yep, it's good basic stuff and we likely need little more to take a good stride that needs to happen. Would be good to get feedback/editing on the text https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/wiki/Home
By the way, I somewhat get your distinction between fluffy and spiky. One diff might be I think spiky is effective if it spikes a culprit, less effective if it's just thrown out in the air aimed at nobody and lands in a mudpuddle.
We got a few people in fedi who are very effective at pointing criticism at culprits who deserve it, naming names, and taking receipts. I won't name them all now because I would miss somebody who deserves credit.
The fluffy spiky debate is a call for "respect for diversity of tactics" and lays down some "rules" built from expirence to mediate this every draining problem.
It's a call for anti-dogmatic thinking and action when people don't think this is needed - that last stament is likely important to think about #mainstreaming
The is a chicken and egg on that one :)
All the hashtags are designed to make #stupidindividualism uncomfortable.
You are right, why would these people use something that makes them uncomfortable :)
Remember change/challenge, push harder as a social group. If you want to understand this tradition of "push harder" then http://visionon.tv is a place to find that path.
I made hundreds of those videos, am one of the world experts on the subject :)
I think we need to be careful using stupidindividualism as a term.
Our culture particularly anglo culture from the mid last century onwards has pushed individualism as freedom, aspiration etc.
But this is neo feudalism masquerading as individualism/freedom.
I say neo feudalism as we can see the start of patronage in the forms of Bezos, Thiel, Gates and Musk investing in "human tech projects" to further their influence and power.
It's a nice balance of spiky, fluffy activism. Notice the icongrafy of the images, the fluffy rabbit, the weapon a carrot. You get the idea of shifting the balance away from #mainstreaming in this, the balance of fluffy/spiky is well on the side of fluffy... our problem today is that we just don't see it this way any more.
Ps. these images are all from 15 years ago when the movements that birthed them were dying.
We are at a dangerous point in time, as our educational resources are being locked up again. We see that progressive social democracy can only happen when everyone has access to educational resources. So perhaps that's where we start as well, which is where your Peertube instance comes in. People's minds can be changed but to some extent the information required needs to be accessible.
yep, we have a grassroots history project for that as a part of the #OMN
And we have an on the ground exabition https://visionon.tv/w/84nz9VS2DJr45bsMUAGfWg this video is me getting a increasingly drunk while trying to look at why it was failing.
It's pretty much been #mainstreaming into death, sadly.
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