As it is, it's like buying vacuum cleaner filters, a confusing and offputting mess of part numbers and revisions and carafes that cost half of what the whole machine cost in the first place, leading many to just shrug and say "Time for a whole new machine I guess."
There needs to be, for a 12-cup (and let's not get started on a "cup" measure being maybe 60% of an actual reasonable sized coffee mug, let's just use mls) carafe, two glass shapes (tall and skinny / short and wide), detachable plastic and/or aluminium trim in any colour you like, and maybe three or four lid designs which we could narrow down as a victor emerged.
But manufacturers aren't gonna do that unless the people we vote for force them to. Hell, remember when every single phone came with its own proprietary charger that you couldn't use with any other phone? It was madness! Only government intervention forced manufacturers to agree on using a couple flavours of USB.
I get that people on here (often quite rightly) tend to be skeptical of government, but setting and enforcing standards can't be left up to manufacturers or we end up with a mess.
If your coffeemaker's carafe had to be a standard shape, then the companies making them would have to compete based on the strength of the glass and the ease of washing and the attractiveness of the trim. As it is, every machine has its own carafe and for any given model there's barely incentive for one company to bother making it in the first place, and they don't have to do a particularly good job because it's buy theirs or buy a whole new machine.
Force companies to compete.
Now that all chargers are USB we can buy multi-device chargers with like 5 USB ports on them and charge all our stuff off one wall hole, and there's all these companies making multichargers trying to outdo each other on features and ports and current capacities. If the EU hadn't forced companies to end the one-phone-one-charger madness, that wouldn't have happened.
Imagine if they'd had a look at printers! Maybe inkjets wouldn't have devolved completely into a scam!
(in the interests of fairness and just to both-sides a minute, the EU also mandated the use of unleaded solder joints, which I reckon has to be the most catastrophic governmental decision in my lifetime, and no amount of standards-setting will offset the staggering injury done to our environment or to human dignity caused by that one disastrously ignorant ruling. So y'know, swings and roundabouts)
Every piece of electronics in your house has a cost, not just in currency but in blood. Often the blood of children. Sometimes the blood of slaves. Our appetite for cheap electronics subsidized by nightmarish misery and indignity is environmentally, financially and morally unsustainable, and it's shockingly easy to forget that. That's why I fix things, that's why I buy secondhand whenever I can, that's why I won't stop banging on about the evil idiocy of unleaded solder and planned obsolescence.
Heck, you wanna give yourself nightmares, look at the human "externalities" surrounding cobalt and tantalum mining in the DRC. The suffering involved is unimaginable. If you put it in a movie it'd be denied an 18 certificate and you'd end up on a list. It's worse than Hell. So yeah the very least I can do is check the secondhand markets when it's time to buy some electronics
@ifixcoinops standardizing weights and measures, among other things, is like one of the oldest functions of government, isn’t it?
@ashfurrow Yup, that's literally its job. Looking at the mess of systems over here in the US it's really quite understandable that so many people want less government, because they can't even bloody get that right.
@ashfurrow @ifixcoinops It's a relatively recent development, surprisingly enough: eighteenth century. James C. Scott, in "Seeing Like a State", cites the growth of market exchanges (and increasing freedom of movement, both for goods and people), enlightenment philosophy and growing popular sentiment, and the French Revolution as contributing factors. The notion of uniform national citizenship, and the waning influence of regional lords, too!
@ifixcoinops i hear the inkjet printer thing is one of those "hoist by their own petard" things, like...
the printer manufacturers can't turn a profit on the printers if they charge them what they actually cost to build, because nobody will actually BUY the damn things, so instead they massively inflate the price of the ink cartridges to ridiculous levels, but now they're caught in this situation where they have no CHOICE but to do this??
@ifixcoinops I recently bought a printer where the manufacturer allows you to refill the ink tanks yourself, and I was flabbergasted, like ... did someone kidnap the child of the CEO of Epson to make them do this? because they sure wouldn't have let you do this if it was up to them.
these have been around in professional design studios for a while - although to my surprise there are loads now on sale at PC World in Britain, albeit at the higher price points (I suspect this is due to competition from colour laser printers which are becoming affordable even for home use..)
@vfrmedia @technomancy @ifixcoinops i bought that same printer (or at any rate one in that line), and i was incredibly stoked on the tanks: what an obvious thing, what a great way to future proof and also just generally waste less stuff and not do the proprietary printer cartridge dance.
of course what happened next is that the printer itself is complete garbage and will not print anything in a usable form.
the epson I have clogs if you don't use it regularly (and in recent times I am printing less and less stuff at home), if I do get a printer again I might just get a laser printer (but as I can print anything I need at work and no longer have to do fax comms tests (which were a thing for work until about 2019!) its not a major priority these days)
@vfrmedia i got along without one for something like a decade, but once i quit working in an office, every couple months found me scrambling to the library or an office store or a supermarket service desk to get tickets printed on my way to an off-grid event, or some form on paper for a rental application or a job or taxes or... whatever it was.
anyhow, this epson clogged on 2nd or 3rd use within a week of purchase and has never been right since. i suspect some manufacturing defect.
@brennen its very new technology (I really wasn't expecting to see so many tank printers in PC World of all the places) so probably rushed to market without being tested properly like everything else these days..
@vfrmedia seems about right. actually looking at it closely for the first time and unscrewing a plastic guard bit, i realize the print head has just been retrofitted from a traditional cartridge design, with little adapters from the tanks that fit into what would be the cartridge slots, and the little clips don't _quite_ seem to lock in place as tight you'd think.
@vfrmedia probably a sensible way to do it, i'm certainly no engineer qualified to have an opinion here, but also it wouldn't shock me if the fit is crap enough that there's a little gap down by the print heads and air gets in and the ink gums up accordingly.
@technomancy @ifixcoinops I looked at those printers and was going to pull the plug, but after researching them I found users complaining about the same error. Essentially, these printers have been given an error code to have a part inside replaced after so much use. After shipping to the company and getting the replacement, it's cheaper to buy a new printer. It's a planned obsolescence error. I ended up buying a laser printer instead.
@ifixcoinops Seems like a classic catch 22.
Seems like the current ideas are to rely on the companies to report? And rely on desperately poor people not to try and get money. Or cause even more suffering and death by embargoing the country entirely.
Lean on China? https://www.mining.com/what-chinas-increasing-control-over-cobalt-resources-in-the-drc-means-for-the-west-report/ never effective in anything so far. It's depressing alright.
@ifixcoinops I have a stack of netbooks here I am trying to redistribute also sell for to raise a little bit of money
Install Debian or Raspberry PI Dssktop OS (which is Debian anyway) and even with IGB they are very useable despite being10 years old and having Atom Processors,
@ifixcoinops wait, why is unleaded solder so bad? [i understand that it's not as good at being solder, but that doesn't sound like it merits this level of disdain]
@snailerotica It's harder to work with, it makes crap joints, it contaminates repair joints and it has a tendency to grow tin whiskers which means that even visibly good joints could in future short against adjacent contacts and destroy components. It means that machines that once would work almost indefinitely now have a very definite limited and short life, after which even salvage or recycling is unnecessarily complicated.
@snailerotica Also, more energy is required to make the products since unleaded has to be run hotter. This is all because someone convinced politicians that leaded solder joints somehow put lead in groundwater, and the politicians believed them in spite of there being no evidence this actually happens and compelling evidence (in the form of cannon/musket balls embedded into historical battlefields) that it doesn't.
@ifixcoinops oh interesting, i was under the impression that lead contamination by ammunition was a serious problem
@snailerotica Long story short, mountains of e-waste, more expensive goods, a requirement to buy electronics more often because they break which reads to a mindset that electronics (made often by children, slaves or both) are to be treated as disposable items, an ecological and financial and moral disaster.
@ifixcoinops oh geez, yes, a "cup" being actually 5/8th of a cup, and a *mug* is 2 "cups" drives me mad
Isn't it crazy that if a company were to say, "this is some crap, let's make our things compatible with other companies" and that would be abnormal, let *welcomed*?
(I'm also tired of the disposable culture we've come to - I have a microwave here that's lasted forever and won't replace it, rather than buying a cheap, disposable microwave that will need to be thrown out every two years. I'm a fan of repair cafes and trying to fix things before replacements.)
@ifixcoinops I never heard about that government intervention with USB before, do you have any link I could read?
(Also iPhones still do not use USB)
@IngaLovinde When the EU says "It'd be nice if we all did this," what they really mean is "This is gonna be the law of the land within a decade, so the sooner you catch up the sooner you can get it out of the way and go back to making money." Which apparently everyone but Apple understood.
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