I propose the "Alice in Wonderland" metric for copyright discussions. Should we be allowed to freely share and make adaptations of Diney's 1951 Alice in Wonderland?

Alice in Wonderland is:

(1) Based on a book written in 1865 which is in the public domain

(2) Of major cultural importance on its own merits

(3) Four generations old

(4) Copyrighted until (at least) 2036

(5) Trapped in the "Disney Vault" and not available by legal means


@sir I don't even think we need a metric. There's no evidence copyright actually helps creators anymore. It's just parasites living off someone's creations pretending to be indispensable.

@isagalaev I agree with you entirely, but it's good to have arguments to gradually bring someone entirely opposed to this gradually around to our viewpoint

@isagalaev @sir The invitation to prove that things like copyright and patents aren't necessary has a proper name: proof burden reversal.

@amiloradovsky @isagalaev oh man, you are entirely right but the problem of making your point widely accepted is so much bigger than the copyright debate

@isagalaev @sir However, it's important to remember there is evidence toward the opposite, from institutions that want little more than eternal copyright protection:

"In 2013, the European Commission ordered a €360,000 ($430,000) study on how piracy affects sales of music, books, movies and games in the EU. However, it never ended up showing it to the public except for one cherry-picked section. That's possibly because the study concluded that there was no evidence that piracy affects copyrighted sales, and in the case of video games, might actually help them."


@kick @sir I heard about this one a while ago, yes :-) Was nice to have an empirical validation to my already held conviction.

@isagalaev @sir I'm not so sure about that.

Copyright does also help "the little guy" to a certain extent by providing a means of defence against large corps taking their work and using it without recognizing/paying the artist.

However, I completely agree that the way it works right now is totally broken and, unless you have lots of money, it's hard to fight a case.

This video by Tom Scott is great at explaining many of the aspects of copyright, if you're interested: invidio.us/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

Was looking if someone had linked that video already. I think it's great

@isagalaev @sir

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