Sacrificing *some* efficiency in the workplace is totally fine, but I do believe it's better achieved by setting legal limits on what businesses can do, instead of trying actual democracy. Because that would not just reduce efficiency, but completely kill any ability to achieve results.
@yogthos @clacke "all the employees have a voice regarding how the business is run, then we can have a reasonable democracy." — that unfortunately tends to happen at the expense of efficiency. People on lower levels of responsibility tend to think they know what the company should do, but in reality they usually simply lack information for making those decisions. That's why hierarchies actually work.
(Unless I completely misunderstand what you're saying, in which case, fuck the medium :-) )
@clacke @yogthos a century sounds like a stretch. It only started to happen in 1970s, I believe, when Reagan and Thatcher went hard right, while a few other European countries played with left ideas and settled on what they are now. So far it looks like it works better than US in particular. And I certainly don't expect a perfect utopian society in such a short time.
Remember, most people are still going to be jerks towards other people, it's hard to overcome that.
@yogthos I'm… not sure it has anything to do with capitalism itself. Sounds more like human nature to me. Feudal societies were quite rich in psychopathic lords and rulers as far as I know.
Regardless, fostering social institutions is the only way to fight that. As in, societies where psycho- and sociopaths are being limited should theoretically win in the long wrong. But it should be a conscious effort to maintain this, it won't happen by itself.
@yogthos it's important to understand that "system" here actually means "people". Normal, well-meaning people around and including us rewarding aggressive behavior for "winning". We like winners.
@jamey oh the glorious life of an open source maintainer…
@anthracite possibly related, media also often refers to "bloggers", as if there was any coherence or common trait to all people who write their stuff on the Internet.
@yisraeldov sounds like one of those things you should do a hundred times and then you forget what was so hard about it in the beginning :-)
Doing the right thing (especially for yourself) doesn’t mean people won’t be upset.
People being upset doesn’t mean it’s not the right thing to do.
Bonus brain-melter: you might be doing the right thing for yourself and you might be the one who is upset about it, and that doesn’t change any of the above.
@sa0bse regarding 1), yay! Fediverse is growing! Regarding 2), *food* conversations? How? :-)
@ericflo nope... People would still whine that someone is "forcing" them to change their precious legacy code and rage-quit to Go.
@sa0bse this is a very surprising statistics!
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