I have been notified by an Admin here that they are getting 60 reports a day about my account. As far as I can tell, I'm not breaking any rules, and I've done my best to be a good person here. But this admin is going to suspend my account.

It's the Admin's instance, so I fully support their choice to eliminate a source of frustration, but something to consider: a person who is doing nothing wrong can be run off one instance by a mob from another instance. That seems ... not cool. 1/x

But it's been made very, very clear to me that I am not welcome in the Fediverse, and I hear you. I hoped to find an alternative to the birdsite where I could find the same fun community that existed over there in the beginning, and it's clear to me that I won't be finding that. Before I leave, I want to just make something very clear, because I've spent most of my life being yelled at by people who don't know me at all, and I want the record to be clear. 2/x

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During GamerGate, I was dogpiled and mobbed and brigaded and attacked by thousands of accounts. I started using a blocklist that was supposed to help stop that. I did not know that the blocklist I signed up for also had a lot of trans women on it. When I found out, I did everything I could to remove those women from the list I shared. When there were still innocents on the list, I stopped sharing the list entirely. Despite this, a mob has decided that I'm anti-trans. 3/x

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This lie that I am anti-trans, or anti-LGBQ, is deeply hurtful to me (I know it's nothing like the pain LGBTQ people deal with every day, as they simply try to *exist* in a world that treats them so badly, but it is still hurtful in its own way to me). I just want to make it extremely clear: that is a lie, and the people spreading it are misinformed.

So I'm leaving the Fediverse, which has treated me with more cruelty, vitriol, hatred, and contempt than than anyone on the birdsite ever did. 4/x

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I know that I'm well-off, well-known, and as a CIS white hetro dude in America, I live life on the lowest difficulty setting. I know that I have very little to complain about.
But I still have feelings, and I really do care about the world and the people in it. What I see is a lot of anger and cruelty directed at the IDEA of me, from people who I just hope don't realize that it really does hurt me, in my heart, to be accused of being someone I am not, and to be the target of a hateful mob. 5/x

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Anyway, take your victory lap and collect your prizes. You've made it clear that I'm not welcome here, and even though I disagree with the action this Admin is taking (banning me when I didn't break any rules doesn't seem right), I respect and support the Admin's decision to run their instance the way they see fit.

Please do your very best to be kind to each other. The world is a terrible place right now, and that's largely because it is what we make it.



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@wilw I’m so sorry. Please find an instance with a better admin. Mastodon is better with you in it.

@fraying @wilw Yes! People have been talking about instances specifically for celebrities and/or brands - maybe that's actually what it takes to make Mastodon work for everybody.

@tsturm @fraying Are celebrities not people too? Are they destined always to be treated differently because of _how others treat them_? That's just wrong, imo. If Mastodon can't work for a person who wants to just be a part of a community, but who happens to be famous, then it doesn't work for anyone.


@suw @tsturm @fraying but it DOES work. Don't like your instance on mastodon? Move on to a (cozy, smaller, more personal) instance or set up an instance yourself. At least thats the idea. An interconnected network of social networks with different policies and sentiments. I'm not really sure if this will work in the long run, but - except from Wil's understandable frustration - today there is nothing that actually keeps him from moving to a party in the fediverse where he's welcome.

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@itmerc @suw @tsturm Except for the mob that'll just move to harass the next admin, sure.

@fraying @suw @tsturm there’s no way to keep the mob from harassing, so this is a question of resources - a smaller (or self hosted) instance and an admin who is more invested into curating her instance seems to be a better place to be at.
Similar to a huge club where the bouncers just kick out the ass even of the guy who did not start the fight vs. a smaller venue where the patron knows your name and face.

@itmerc @fraying @tsturm You're confusing "nothing can be done" with "nothing is being done".

@itmerc @suw @tsturm Yes, there is a way, it's called community management. That's literally what it's for.

@fraying @suw @tsturm I think we completely agree: If mastodon succeeds the mob will be moved to and over the borders of the fediverse, either within their instances or with their instances by the people managing the instances.
I’m /really/ curious.

@fraying @suw @tsturm so the solution is not only to operate mailservers and mebservers for our friends but even mastodon-instances. And that really reminds me of the times when I had my Fido-point in 2:245/.... :)

@itmerc @tsturm @fraying No, nothing to stop WilW moving to another instance... except the pain and hurt he's already experienced which has put him off being involved in Mastodon at all. The horse had bolted once the harassment started. You can't just ask people to keep moving on from instance to instance because you can't deal with bullies.

@suw @tsturm @fraying I don’t expect Wil to come back to the fediverse, he has been burned on more than one platform. That’s sad. Yet I think that the fediverse is a technical habitat with potential for a better culture to grow. Because of compartmentalization / isolation of the sewers and federation to have a diverse set of instances catering to people who want to stick together.
It really reminds me of BBS networks, even because you need technical expertise to operate one.

@itmerc @suw @tsturm Yes, we understand how federation works. Usenet was also decentralized and unmoderated. And that worked out GREAT.

@fraying @suw @tsturm I have very fond memories of discussions in gblf-groups on usenet news, on FidoNet and Zerberus. The latter two were moderated, obviously. I remember flame wars, but I don’t remember that level of vitriol and aggression that can be seen on the birdsite or Facebook.

@itmerc @fraying @suw As I mentioned before, the FidoNet moderation system was draconian, but it worked.

And Mastodon is actually a very close modern version of the way Fidonet was organized.

All it takes is to have a majority of instance owners to agree to cut out instances that can't keep their users to stick to some simple community rules and it is exactly like Fidonet. Which - from my experience with Fido - would not be a bad outcome for Mastodon.

@tsturm @fraying @suw OTOH those were different times and FidoNet was - in my memories - mostly about communication, not about celebrities, propaganda or financial gain. In Germany it was badly wounded by a schisma after a secret reorg.
, because power over the node list was in very few hands.
This is not possible in the fediverse, yet, but.

@itmerc @fraying @tsturm I've had this conversation so many times over the years, and it's really gotten boring. We need neither nostalgia for olden times nor technical expertise, but actual community management experts. I haven't seen any evidence mastodon has those, or cares about getting any. And because of that, it will ultimately go the same way as all other social networks.

@suw @fraying @tsturm I have heared people calling experience „nostalgia“ and rational analysis of technical feasibility „peculiarities“ so many times yet I have never seen them succeeding. I was guest in very well moderated places of passionate discourse but I have yet to see a ‚xyz management expert‘ to do anything of value.

@itmerc @suw @tsturm I would like to be left off this thread now, thanks.

@suw I've been idly wondering whether one could start an instance with actual professional moderators, paid for their work, and to ask people who join that instance to chip in a regular subscription to pay their salaries

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