RMS pulls a serious power move (read: dick move), unilaterally appointing a maintainer to Guile without consulting the other co-maintainers or community, because the current co-maintainers disagree with him on governance lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gui

It's also worth reading @dthompson's followup here lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gui

David's experience is also mine; there's a reason I dropped my association as a "GNU hacker", which used to be the way I identified myself for some time.

For many people, I'm sure these things seem to be shocking, as if all of this is happening at once. I'm shocked by how fast things have devolved, but not the way they are, because I already saw and tried to change for years how bad it was until I gave up.

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@cwebber @dthompson

Smell like there are several power games at work in #GNU and in #Guile right now.

And since I've followed all the drama around #RMS' mail and I've seen how a crowd of people lynched him for what he SAID, I can't say I'm shocked by this reaction from Andy.

I've read his words before and I see how he is trying to profit as much as possible from the shitstorm that is on #Stallman right now.

@Shamar @cwebber so, uh, we're with Andy on this. if anyone is power hungry here, it's rms. we just want rms held accountable for his poor leadership.

@dthompson

I noticed you are with Andy.

That's why I replied to @cwebber

I don't know #RMS personally and I disagree with him on MANY MANY things. Even when we talk about #FreeSoftware I think he is too moderate (and I'm a catholic Christian so you might guess by yourselves on how many other things I deeply disagree with him! 馃槈).

But the arguments of Andy are poor. As the arguments of the crowd that got is head at #FSF.

#Software is a form of expression, so software #freedom IS freedom of expression.

Andy joined the crowd that lynched #Stallman for what he WROTE (conveniently misreading it, to be precise).

If you know that Stallman did any crime towards women, you have only ONE thing to do: denounce him and provide evidence to the police.

Each day you delay his trial is a day more you are accomplices of his crimes.

I'm very serious on this.
There is nothing else to do when you face a crime.

If RMS did any crime, denounce him.

Otherwise, please, stop this.

@Shamar @dthompson @cwebber there are several mistakes in what you write here.

You misapply the term "lynch" for what happened to rms. I hope you're aware enough of the last 50 years of US racial oppression that I don't have to be more verbose, but we can have that educational discussion if you'd like.

It's not accurate to state that rms merely spoke and those words are what he's seeing the consequences of. Rather, he's behaved in ways that are a misuse of power, for decades. His recent active defense of indefensible positions and individuals is merely the latest and most visible of those. All he had to do to avoid this current outcry was to heed the warnings of the many people who tried to counsel him. I've read personal accounts by at least 3 people who repeatedly told rms that his choices to act (including choosing to weigh in on discussions outside the purview of his work, using his position of social power due to the importance of GNU), was harmful to free software. 1/2

@Shamar @dthompson @cwebber
2/2
... rms chose to continue his crusades and thereby alienated dozens of folks, needlessly, who would otherwise have been productive members of the free software community.

It's the damage that rms has done over decades, through his speech and his direct actions, despite being counseled by folks he should have respected, that has led to this consequence of rms being removed from his positions of power.

Accountability for one's own actions is if anything the opposite of lynching.

long, RMS lynching, free software, free speech 

@eqe

No.

First, this HAS BEEN a lynching.
Thanks God, not a physical one, but a cybernetic one: misinformed people all over the world has been coordinated to shitpost him till they got his head at #FSF. But he has been lynched for WHAT HE WROTE. He hasn't been removed for his bad behavior with women. He hasn't been removed for his political use of his position in #GNU. He has been removed because of this "outcry" for what he wrote.

Now, if you argue that any of his behavior was so abusive that he alienated dozen of people from FS, without such behavior being illegal, then I agree with you: you should fight to change your laws to forbid such behaviour.

But if you argue that he should be held accountable for his #political opinions (most of which, I don't share) because such opinions alienated dozen, I think you haven't understand what free software is.

As I said, #programming is a form.of expression: as President of #Free #Software Foundation and leader of #GNU, RMS had the duty to fully express his weird opinions.

People who can't live in a pluralistic society, working with people who have the weirdest opinions (but do no crime), don't really want #freedom, not for everybody at least. So if people left the free software movement for RMS opinions, they did the right thing (at least at that moment of their life) since they weren't going to contribute to freedom.

I think your valuation error is well evidenced by the use of the "productive" word. You are measiring people contribution by their throughput, as if GNU was a corporation building products that will compete in the market.

It is not.

It's a Political movement!

The real issue with RMS is that he doesn't belong to any of the minorities that populate #US remorse. He isn't a person.of color. He isn't a woman. He isn't gay. And so on.

He is a #hacker.

#SJWs' passion for inclusion stop before of us.

We are too different to be included.
Too weird. We do not deserve due processes or civil rights. We not even #human to your eyes, I guess.

You want a bunch of nice, politically correct (aka hypocrites), people in FS. And RMS is not one of them.

@dthompson @cwebber

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@Shamar @eqe @dthompson @cwebber

I don't agree with every sentence in this longish post but it certainly has many things which I can identify with (i.e dismissing the "productivity" as a measure of value and how essential it is to learn how to live alongside with people with whom you disagree with).

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@Shamar @eqe @dthompson @cwebber

And looking at the mailing list I find this mail to be a very reasonable point of view on the issue: lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gui

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