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for some reason "itunes-style music player/collection software" is the MOST annoying category of software for "people telling you you should use their favorite program, and when you tell them its missing a feature you like, they say 'well you shouldnt need that feature, i don't need that feature, nobody needs that feature'"

i guess because 'listening to music and categorizing your music collection' is quite a personal & specific thing? idk

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@jk Winamp: Still works for me.

I do wonder though. Does anyone still collect music?

@jk

I have done a terrible thing with my music library, and repurposed the genre tags I never used anyway into being tags for stuff I tend to care about in songs, like if they have lyrics, or if they're a theme tune or character theme, or if they're the kind of exciting energetic music used in fight scenes, or whatever

@jk This is why I switch music players about once a decade.

I try a new one and find that, like, it takes five clicks to put a song you found in your music library into your queue and the queue also needs to be an actual playlist file on disk and is not even displayed by default and how do people even live like this.

@jk musicbee is iTunes adjacent and made for cataloguing shit

ditto to mediamonkey but that's not completely free

@jk this said idk what you're looking for in the program so oops

@puppy oh yeah musicbee was one of the ones i tried last year. i think there was like 1 thing i needed which it was missing, which was bothersome. also i didn't really like the look/feel of the interface much! also with the amount of stuff in my library it was basically as slow as itunes!

@jk i mean wrt the last point i think if your library is that absurdly big then im not, quite sure if you can, complain of it being slow, =v=;;

@puppy it's only 1000 albums!!

@jk oh ok then what the hell i think i have more than that lmfao

@puppy maybe some of the problems i'm having are due to always putting really large album art in the files??

@wxcafe @puppy its' only on the like, tiled album cover type view that it seems to be a problem

@elomatreb @puppy @wxcafe just tried scrolling up and down a bunch and the memory usage of itunes went up from 200 MB to about 1 GB, but the scrolling didn't get any faster by the end

@elomatreb @puppy @wxcafe so the answer is yes, but it doesn't make any difference!

@jk @wxcafe @puppy "Writing my own music library application just the way I want it" is just as much of a mind-virus as writing your own RSS reader or CMS btw
@wxcafe I use mpd+ncmpcpp and it's *acceptable* but there are some features I'd like to have, but would never actually use

@elomatreb @wxcafe @puppy i have written my own CMS but thankfully the "just the way i want it" turned out to be "i want it extremely simple"

@jk
*pulls up a chair*

Let me tell you about my Squeezebox setup...

(And yes, music and the enjoyment thereof is like asking about religion or diet: deeply personal and only someone as deep into it as you are will care)

@jk if you're still looking for one, I like Quod Libet

@AshWalker this is one of the few i haven't checked out! i'll have to have a look, thanks

@jk

This is because any time a programmer wants to learn a new language or framework, they will write a music player frontend and library manager which contains only features which that programmer thinks are cool and fun to write.

I myself have written over 300 audio librarians, all of which are utter garbage compared to the one I actually use.

(The one I use is called A Bunch Of Directory Trees Plus Some Scripts And A Player That Just Plays. It's way better than iTunes.)