itd be good if there was a social network for following lots of people who each only actually need to post every 1-5 years, like musicians or animators or whatever, where you don't want to see hourly posts by them but you DO want to keep tabs on them because you love their work. i guess maybe patreon etc. fills that niche? in theory you could just make social network alt-accounts. but nobody really seems to do that and "1 post every 18 months" isn't really how most stuff is supposed to be used

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like i feel it's a real shame how all online media is optimised for frequency, when a lot of creative things can only really be done infrequently. i see so many people online who are extremely talented but are only able to make small and frequent things with moderate amounts of polish because the attention economy is tuned with a resonant peak at "1-14 days"

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maybe you could have it like a single-purpose almost gimmicky newsletter service, where you only get to post exactly once per year, and you get randomly assigned a date where your email goes out to people

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@jk I'm sorry if this comes of as a techie reply guy comment, but isn't this just RSS?

@stolas the general principle i take with the "well x protocol already exists" thing (e.g. "2007: dropbox won't get popular because you can just use rsync") probably applies here: the fact that RSS already exists yet hasn't solved the problem indicates that maybe it isn't the solution to the problem on its own

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There isn't a problem here that cannot be solved without appropriate use of RSS, blogs' curation.

@jk I feel like at that point we're talking more about a platform than a network.

If the point is to follow people just so you're notified when they make something, there's not much to it being "social".

@shadow8t4 @jk I have a "bell button" in the works for Mastodon. You will be able to enable it so you're notified when a person you follow posts.

@mur2501 @stux @Gargron @jk users can filter those posts themselves?... Why do you need a feature for that specifically?

@mur2501 Go to user settings, click on the "Filters" tab. Click "Add new filter". In your case, probably just putting the word "mask" would work.

@shadow8t4 I see thats good♥️♥️. But that just hide everything containing the word mask which in itself is a common term.

@shadow8t4 I just don't want the american political debate of masks, rest of the masks are good😅😅

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@mur2501 I understand, the idea of what you're asking for isn't unreasonable. I'm just unsure how to determine whether a post is specifically about that. It might be difficult to find keywords that match up with what you're wanting to block.

On my account, usually posts I see like that have a CW of something like "us politics, covid". That's not all the posts, but it's maybe another helpful start. I wish I had a more elegant solution for you, but it might just take some trial and error.

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@shadow8t4 Yeah I know its not a simple stuff I am asking for, as for that we have to design a whole AI system not just a blocker based on words. Even then I don't think that AI would be much succesful 😅😅

@Gargron @jk I've actually been wondering about having something to separate needing to "follow" someone just to see their posts in a TL. It's a major issue for locked accounts.

@shadow8t4 @Gargron @jk maybe there should be separate "friend" and "follow" systems

@shadow8t4 @Gargron @jk with friendship granting access to locked posts and and following putting posts into the timeline.

@LunaDragofelis @shadow8t4 @jk You can make a list and pin it instead of the home timeline.

@LunaDragofelis @shadow8t4 @Gargron @jk

Livejournal let you separate “authorization” and “following” and even have fine-grained authorization (“I’ll let you see my posts about work stuff but not my posts about relationship woes”) it was fucking wonderful and I still miss it.

@gargron @shadow8t4 @jk There's already a way to be notified when someone posts, it's called Having The TL Open

Seriously this is what you're working on instead of giving people proper formatting options? smh

@jk it took me a year to get my ttrpg to a playable state by which time I only had six patrons left and none of them wanted to playtest the damn thing so I abandoned the entire project.

@WanderingBeekeeper @jk

maybe social as much as tech issue, and raised expectations? OK I'm /old/ by online standards but it was normal to wait weeks/months for someone you admired (a musician, DJ, artist etc) to complete their project and you just kept an eye on whatever media existed for them to announce it (the most "upfront" media then was probably pirate radio and even the availability of the stations was sporadic)

@vfrmedia @jk yeah, I'm 57, and taught classes on gopher and archie before Lynx was written. I was releasing weekly progress reports, with a changelog, project tracking, all public, and the patrons got a fresh PDF compile of the WIP every week. I treated it like an Agile project. Maybe it was too much? I was trying to show steady progress.

@jk couple this with a postcard sent in the mail, again exactly once a year. You’re paying 20 cents per recipient, better make it good!

@jk very much agree

I get an email whenever someone I follow on or bandcamp publishes a new thing, but that's far from ideal, twitter/masto etc are useless for this because it just gets drowned by all the other stuff, blogs+RSS would fit the bill but that obviously hasn't taken off (meaning there are issues to investigate)...

it's also bad for people who produce stuff because the current solution (maintaining multiple social media accounts so the algorithms don't ignore your announcement post when you release something) is just unsustainable

@emptyfortress @jk What's actually wrong with mailing lists? I've always thought email was a decent solution to the problem.

@scale @emptyfortress @jk both email and RSS are great solutions to the problem but they are being deliberately strangled because they don't have the paid advertising platform capabilities that centralized garbage has

@shaderphantom @scale @emptyfortress e-mail and RSS are great technologies but i think the main weaknesses of both is that you can do whatever you want with them, very few restrictions for publishers and subscribers. the result is that there is no common expectation of the scale, frequency or purpose of what "publishing an update" actually means. this is intrinsically Good... but also maybe the reason Twitter got big is *because* there were a lot of restrictions that created clear expectations?

@scale @emptyfortress it probably is the best solution that currently exists. but the main drawbacks i can think of are that on the one hand a lot of potential 'subscribers' don't or don't want to use them for some reason (or we wouldn't be having this conversation), and on the other side a lot of 'publishers' want to overuse them (spam or unwanted updates or too-frequent updates or whatever). as a result i think mailing lists have a neutral-to-maybe-slightly-negative reputation on the whole?

@jk @scale plus there's the whole problem of algorithmic mail boxes, which is already a bit of a thing with gmail

something else I've noticed is patreon creators feeling the need to announce their patreon posts on other platforms (discord/twitter/masto...) despite the fact that there's an email going out so maybe email already isn't working too well, even to reach people who are interested enough that they're giving you money

@jk I don't think its the technology, it's the curation - in the hands of the creator there's always the temptation to post irrelevant plugs/whatever.

A curated, user filtered "whats new" list should do it. :blobthinking:

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