if you get enough smart programmers together all they do is make lisp, so you have to make sure theres some less-smart "control rod" programmers in the team
@jk Yeah, but it does self-correct, because as soon as 2 programmers each invent a Lisp, they will argue forever as to whose Lisp is the True Lisp.
It's like the computational Fermi Paradox. Lisp is the Great Filter that prevents a runaway intelligence singularity.
y'know, it turns out secretly that the Duke Nukem Forever programmers kept running into this problem
they'd keep making lisps, then fights would break out, then their teams would be decimated by people quitting out of disgust or because they were conquered
this is how all great unfinished undelivered games got unfinished and/or undelivered
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE HALF-LIFE 3
@sydneyfalk @jk
Huh. Well, that explains Abuse.
@jk I hate that this is true, holy fuck.
@jk Oh yeah! I remember reading an article about that in Game Developer Magazine. It must've been one of the post mortem articles. I was hoping it was online somewhere, but I've had no luck finding it. I did find this from Andy Gavin: http://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/03/12/making-crash-bandicoot-gool-part-9/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp
> Game Oriented Assembly Lisp (or GOAL) is a video game programming language developed by Andy Gavin and the Jak and Daxter team at Naughty Dog. It was written using Allegro Common Lisp and used in the development of the entire Jak and Daxter series of games.
/via https://social.coop/@h/99177127147550147
> The predecessor language, Game Oriented Object Lisp (GOOL), was also developed by Andy Gavin for the Crash Bandicoot game.
The video is pretty good as well.
https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/naughtydog.lhtml
@ghostdancer @clacke @jk They still used Scheme for their scripting during the PS3 era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Xamkb-J2k
> Sony's Naughty Dog game studio has created just such a large project, actually a framework for creating projects. Roughly speaking, Sony's Racket-based architecture provides languages for describing scenes, transitions between scenes, scores for scenes, and more. Domain specialists use the languages to describe aspects of the game. The Racket implementation composes these domain-specific programs, then compiles them into dynamically linked libraries for a C-based game engine
https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/3/225475-a-programmable-programming-language/fulltext
!scheme
The article is not specifically about Naughty Dog, it's about #Racket as a catalyst of Language-Oriented Programming.
@jk to be fair they also made a few crash bandicoots
@jk awh sonofabitch I'm the control rod
"Wait, what do you mean, I'm 'less smart'?"
"I mean YOU'RE the control rod."
"Oh! Okay then. Cool."
"...and there we go."
@jk that's where i come in
@jk dammit do i have to write a lisp for the atari jaguar now
@LuigiThirty the hardware is so overcomplicated it may well have been a lisp machine all this time
tom (normal) 🖲️
@jk I'm absolutely the control rod,
@jk sometimes i think the AI i'm working on will be that 'control' person. sometimes i fear it will be a lisp.
https://www.madebymany.com/stories/swallow-your-developer-s-pride-and-just-do-stuff
@jk i just realized I’m the control rod
@jk it's me
@jk I think modern smart programmers would invent something like Idris
(I don't want to offend anyone pls don't @ me)
@jk At last, I've found out why they keep me around.
@jk You don't want a runaway Lisp situation!
@jk I believe the technical word for this process is "doping," and the programmers are called dopes.
@jk OMG. You've done it! You've found the holy grail --- the anti-particle of the Rockstar Programmer. Behold, the Control Rod Programmer! 😀
@jk this checks out since asking a bunch of smart programmers to make you a lisp will probably result in a self-hosted lisp, which is just a lisp with a lisp in it
one of the more famous criticality incidents of this type is naughty dog, who were trying to make crash bandicoot or something but ended up, thats right, making a lisp