@jpmens with the last update it was mandated to create an account with Sonos for "security" reasons. Since that moment I have removed all Sonos equipment from our house, sold it and moved to Naim and Bose speakers. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Sonos...
One last thing... their get-my-data-out-of-your-effing-system process suuuuuuucks...
@mischa I’m quoting you (anonymously) in my post.
@jpmens feel free! They know how I feel about their policy changes and processes. :)
@jpmens Make your own system with RPI...
@jpmens +1 to this. After years of Sonos ownership I'm now in the market for different speakers.
@jpmens Some years ago I also had a Sonos test setup at home. Somehow, I got a bad feeling about speakers directly connected to the internet, so I bought Bose stuff. Lost much convenience but won privacy.
Now I am thinking about Yamaha WXC equipment, seems to be more privacy friendly
@_xhr_ I’ve added your comment (anonymously) to my post; thank you.
@jpmens OK, fine with me.
@jpmens Seems its not going well for Sonos at the moment. Top news of the day: They lost a 5th of their stock market value yesterday.
@jpmens Wow. Makes me glad all my IoT devices are locked up on a non-Internet VLAN.
@mwlucas question is whether the whole system can survive at all in a glass wall; I just don’t know. Maybe the apps are time-bombed and if they can’t get updates in time T they stop alltogether.
@jpmens hasn't been a problem so far.
@h3artbl33d @mwlucas @FiLiS @jpmens of course you can, but I am guessing that will prevent the speaker from functioning at one point. Seeing the need for data-collection they have now... and it would prevent services like Spotify from working. Which I am using as I made the choice to use the service, I have not asked for my hardware vendor to do this.
True that. Guess you don't have a huge music library sitting in local storage?
Using proprietary / hosted services always leaves the possibility that behavior is tracked. If not now, then perhaps with an update.
For those whom are concerned about this - without an alternative, check out Pi MusicBox (Linux, yikes), hook it up to a speaker and take back your privacy: http://www.pimusicbox.com/
@mwlucas @jpmens @mischa @h3artbl33d I told my kids to be super careful what they throw out when I die. Some vinyl is pretty valuable. CDs are just in boxes for licensing reasons, I would probably throw them out in a heartbeat. Spotify is mostly a convenience for pre-listening stuff I might buy ("Oh, the new Metallica album sucks, who would have thought") and for when I'm away from home.
I am able to hear the difference - even between 320CBR and FLAC. But it depends on multiple factors, the speakers are only a part of it. Simple example: everything by hipster brand 'Beats' has an overdriven bass. More in depth, there are factors like which DAC is being used.
Hearing does get less when age increases. When I come at the point I can't hear the difference, I have something to leave my children 😉
It's one of the reasons I require ZFS. Every album I bought in a physical shape, I have digitized to FLAC. Whether that be CDs, Vinyl, etc. Where possible I directly purchased the digital version.
I don't "do" MP3, not even 320kbit. Want to achieve them with all the quality I acquired them in.
Unfortunately, right now, the only setup allowing me to hear the difference are HiFi earbuds.
@jpmens Thank you for posting this. I was considering getting a Sonos system for my home, but after seeing that (especially the snippet from their "privacy" policy!) I think I'll just stick with my current mix of an unmanaged, app-free Bluetooth speaker and a couple of wired receivers.
A little bit of convenience is hardly worth giving up that much information.
@spectere I have now clarified in the post that it’s possible to opt out of that data collection. To be fair.
@jpmens Much appreciated!
Regardless, it's still ridiculous that they seemingly tried to sneak that past everyone, and that you had to even opt out of it at all. Unless you're, say, monitoring a child's listening habits (which should be strictly opt-in!) I don't even see what purpose that sort of collection serves outside of marketing.
About the only plus I'll give Sonos in this case is that they appear to be very transparent about what they collect.
Follow friends and discover new ones. Publish anything you want: links, pictures, text, video. This server is run by the main developers of the Mastodon project. Everyone is welcome as long as you follow our code of conduct!