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@juglugs The full Burkha needs banning too in all countries that value human rights its got nothing to do with racism or anti islamic feeling ,unlike the Hijab (which obviously shouldnt be banned ),its not an essential part of islam in fact many muslims strongly oppose its use ,its not a consistent part of any ethnic groups culture .Its purely a means of subjugating and isolating women ,I have lived in areas where the Burkha was worn ,people who support its use are doing women no favours

@Helengraham @juglugs how about instead of banning anything you let everyone dress how the heck they want

If the issue is that some people are forced into certain clothes by family, please offer everyone safe places to escape their family. When you try to ban things -- burka, hijab, niqab, yarmulke, turban, heels, skirts, trousers, whatever -- you are revealing your inner control freak, and not helping anyone.

@stevenbodzin @juglugs Because the burkha is something most of its wearers dont want or choose and because it is extremely isolating .Often the women forced to wear the burkha are imported brides from arranged marriages ,who speak no English ,have no contacts in the uk outside their husbands families and live in fear of beatings.It cant bve compared to the Hijab,theres no religious justification for it,many muslims have made clear its unacceptable.Its as unacceptable as wearing Nazi insignia

@Helengraham "Wearing Nazi insignia" is a poor comparison when the burkha is something that (in your example) is being forced on victims. A better comparison, then, would be the yellow Stars of David the Nazis forced Jews to wear.

The solution in that case was not to ban the wearing of the Star of David. It was to get rid of the Nazis. Especially since some Jews might *want* to wear it (albeit in other ways and circumstances).

@stevenbodzin @juglugs

@kagan @Helengraham @stevenbodzin @juglugs None of the European butthurt over how immigrants dress is about actual burqas. It's about hijabs and niqabs; burqas are pretty unique to a part of the world that has little diaspora in the West and that diaspora is mostly refugees from the Taliban. Talking about burqas in this context is like insisting that you don't hate Jews, you just hate the Jewish Defense League, and then demanding a ban on yarmulkes.

@Helengraham @juglugs

If someone voluntarily wants to wear a burkha, despite being free to *not* wear a burkha, I don't see how it's any of your business to tell them not to.

@Helengraham @juglugs making the burka mandatory is a form of oppression of women. banning the burka is also a form of oppression of women (usually who are also part of an unprivileged minority), by making it harder for them to deal with pressure from their family and interact with a more permissive society.

The only non-oppressive option is to avoid regulating the way people dress (other than for basic safety and hygienic requirements).

@juglugs No slave has ever done any harm to me, therefore I don't understand why we should ban slavery :blobfoxthinkgoogly:

@kittynorth @juglugs And I am reminded of a family group I saw in Bradford:

Grandma - black from head to toe
Mother - sari
Grown up daughter - jeans and T shirt

@kittynorth @juglugs same here. A man from the former GDR asked in saxonian dialect if I could speak German. I replied, that he’s in Bavaria here and we’re speaking Bavarian.

@kittynorth @juglugs The US version of that is similar, but the woman is Native American and is speaking Navajo.

@juglugs if we ban suits how will I know which people to distrust?

@juglugs

Britain should elect Henry Stewart to office. He sounds more intelligent than the last 3 PMs. 😏

@juglugs What about the men who force women to wear burkas?

@freeagent @juglugs

These people like to forget about that whole part.

@juglugs
I just hope that noone in a Kilt did any harm…

@juglugs Well said! I also think something should be said for banning ties. I feel these have already contributed to various disasters and are a curse on human civilization.

@juglugs I have to say, if I were a man-in-a-suit I'd be pretty gratified by how quickly this turned into a big argument about whether we should ban burqas.

@juglugs @lisamelton your personality can manifests in how you dress, but only if you’re allowed to dress yourself.

The utility of the business suit is that it says nothing about who you are: it’s quintessential business theatre—that’s the entire point of it.

If everyone is allowed to dress as they will, and you show up in a suit, I have a right to be suspicious. (Says a woman who occasionally wears a suit just to bask in the trans-joy of feeling like Marline Dietrich for a day).

@juglugs i think this man misunderstood the reason why women wear Burkha in Islam.

@juglugs All right about the harm done by men in suits, but the point here is that burqas, hijab and clothes like those are not banned because those women are dangerous but because those womens' freedom is restricted when they wear them. And religion is the only excuse, which is more than arguable in occidental countries where the law is not religious.

You can hate both suits and burqas because both are signs of a worse version of this world

@juglugs the merchant tailors guild has dispatched an tastefully dressed team of assassins to Mr Stewart’s residence and place of work. He will shortly be found to have succumbed to injuries incurred during a most embarrassing misadventure.

@juglugs

No good, they're one step ahead of you.

@juglugs Sell something besides doom and gloom! This Biden guy was the ONLY one who could have beaten 45 AND held the midterms to a record small loss in troubled times. You are whingeing about capitalism when it's been sold to joe-six-pack as the secret sauce for 3 generations. You need to be selling Joe as the only cowpoke who can stop this stampede and start selling rational regulation and fair taxation to save the republic, free enterprise, and the planet.

@juglugs omg—force cishet White men to wear burqas. That. Is. Genius. Thank you? ✨

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@sindarina some 10-14 years ago I worked weekends on the door at a nightclub. we had a very simple dress code "No Ties, No collars up" I took pleasure in stopping men in suits and telling them "they didn't meet our dress code" they needed to remove their ties before I could let them in. Some got angry, most complied and seemed to have a much better night. if we cant #BanTheSuit #BanTheTie.

@juglugs And arguably suits are used to demonstrate religious belief in a capitalist economy where externalising costs onto society is a good thing...

@juglugs
My theory is that ties are actually alien creatures (the colorful fabric is actually their clothing, the beast itself is like a giant louse.)

They wrap around the necks of the most powerful males of our species, reducing blood flow to their brains and making the men easier to control. Their agenda is to loot all the resources of our planet.

@juglugs but the suit is such a tell-tale! Do you really want to encourage them to adopt camoflage?

@juglugs
(sorry for the French first reply, I didn't see your profile was English):
This reminds me this Boulet's strip about bad guys who mostly wear classy suits in real life:
english.bouletcorp.com/2009/05

english.bouletcorp.comBouletcorp » Why the bad guys?