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Shawn Webb @lattera

This is exactly why I try not to get involved in 's matters anymore: lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/fr

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@lattera
Yeah, that's really coming out of left field...
I can agree entirely it's best to just walk away from that madness.

@lattera BTW, why is based on ? I'd love to hear the story if you find some spare time.

@mpts I absolutely love the many features provides. Jails, DTrace, ZFS, etc. However, it lacks all exploit mitigations outside of a stack cookie. was born to implement robust security (by porting grsecurity) in FreeBSD.

We originally intended to upstream our work, but have now decided that it's not worth our time to fight unneeded politics. Instead, we'd rather focus on catching up with the rest of the world as FreeBSD is far behind.

@lattera @mpts it would really be great to fix this all once and for all :(