I just recently realised, that proprietary social networks are not social networks but entertainment networks. That's why at least my friends have a hard time switching to mastodon or pixelfed. People expect to be highly entertained the first second they enter the network and kept that way all the time. Being confronted with a network that is stripped from all these addictive tools is a massive cultural clash.
Social networks are a misnomer. They actually are content firehoses. People addicted to infoporn/gossip need more of that.
@le_ArthurDent it's a change from addictive entertainment and continous distraction in "social" networks to friendly talking and free learning in Mastodon.
@le_ArthurDent@mastodon.social well i mean. fedi can get addictive too, at least later.
But at the very least it is achieved in a more organic way.
While proprietary social networks usually these days (especially the ones known to be really addictive like TikTok) have an algorithm that feeds them content.
On fediverse services the content can't be given by an algorithm. Instead one has to start from nothing, find some people they like. But then through those people find other and it goes from there.
A good example is something like Spotifiy vs FunkWhale.
Spotify takes user data en large, processes it, relates your music taste to other's similar music taste out of your sight and recommends you something.
On FunkWhale one has to go find other users with similar tastes and follow their libraries.
It is almost comparable to processed food vs unprocessed normal food.
good points all.
not sure about the processed v unprocessed food metaphor ... i think i follow ... maybe supermarket v farmer's market a better one ... (choosing appropriate metaphor an intersting challenge of its own)
also federation of individual servers rather than a massive centralized server (farm) has indirect effects on the messages found in network[s]
i think there is a lot to recommend fedi when compared with large commercial social nets
Still, we can also learn something from existing successful networks.
Would it be a privacy problem to have a opt-in database with hashes that combine: your email address, those of could contacts and the time and date of an email you send each other? Add in a decent number of fake hashes, and it becomes similar to the German Corona Contact Tracing App.
Such a database could be used by Fediverse services to find people you already know.
I'm more of this thought too, or a similar one at least.
See, I'm starting to see these conventional "social networks" as "artificial networks" instead for some reasons. The first one is that you interact more with an algorithm rather than with actual people. You don't get recomendations from your friends exactle but from what the algortihm could identify as a high-engagemnt content that your friend happend to share.
So given that...what we see is of humans or of robots?
@le_ArthurDent I like to call this type as Adicctware. Because are designed not just for entertainment else to keep people viewing and consuming from ads.
@le_ArthurDent Tienes razón amigo. La mayoría de la gente solo busca entretenimiento y esto no lo podemos ofrecer.
Lo malo para esta clase de personas es que se le va la vida en tonterías y están vendiendo su alma a cambio de unos momentos de euforia.
No se si podremos salvarlos.
De todas formas el despertar en la realidad va a ser como un choque de dos estrellas.
@le_ArthurDent I believe social networks are where most people mix the concept of "free speech" with "exposure." They expose their lives thinking that they are using their freedom, which is where everything gets messed up.
After creating their Mastodon account, I think someone should delete their Twitter account to avoid keeping this addiction for several months, or even years
@le_ArthurDent Huh, that explains why I never understood the appeal of proprietary "social" networks 🤔
@le_ArthurDent@mastodon.social wow, I had never considered that motivation! I find the fediverse pretty entertaining
@le_ArthurDent oh no that makes ... a lot of sense. Especially the people who say "there's no one over there/nobody ever posts" bcs they're used to getting firehosed with content continuously 24 hours a day haha
@le_ArthurDent Interesting point of view. Though honestly, Facebook-as-entertainment is pretty horrible. If Facebook have any use-value, its for finding likeminded people with shared interests, and ofc seeing what your friends are up to (and maybe finding out your aunt's a racist, but that's an involuntary bonus).
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