For those not familiar yet, the above is the new defacto canary to tell if someone fears or is controlled by the Chinese government.

Anyone that can't say or retracts this phrase, like John Cena, is compromised or a coward.

If I need to be able to hire or otherwise trust someone with any ties to China moving forward, I am going to want them to publicly say "Taiwan is a country".

@lrvick so if someone is from China and their family is still in China, and they'd like to visit for holidays or sth, you don't want to hire such a person?

@wolf480pl I said "want", not "require".

If someone has a good reason such as this, I would need to find alternative paths to build trust.

Getting them to say something censored however would rapidly demonstrate a lack of fear of the Chinese government.

Or they -are- Chinese government and can lie with impunity which I would also need to try and rule out.

@lrvick I mean, I can certainly imagine jobs which not fearing the Chinese government is an absolute requirement. But then there are other jobs, and I guess for those not fearing the Chinese government is a nice to have?
I have no idea what your business is doing and where it sits on that scale...

@wolf480pl I work in fintech security and the threat model of most of my clients includes state actors.

Anyone that has leverage on them by a foreign power can't be trusted with keys to the kingdom.

E.G. if someone says "I can't say that, it would cost me business in China". Okay fair enough, but that quickly tells me you might do or not do what China tells you, which limits how far I can trust you.

@lrvick are you make a satire because you sound serious.

you should consider seriously what led you to say something like this in a world that looks like this:

@fluffy I am saying it because the chinese government wishes to censor this phrase.

If it is ever deleted anywhere I post it then that server can't be trusted.

@lrvick people delete posts for being disinformation all the time
@lrvick you might as well do the same thing with holocaust denial, it getting deleted doesn't mean it's true or that you're being censored, it just means people don't like to see it

@fluffy I believe in censorship free decentralization, which also means I support people having the right to host their own Mastodon server and use it to say stupid things.

Everyone else has the right to not subscribe to it or fedreate with it.

This case is a bit different because citizens actually want to be considered a country and they need more countries to recognize it.

@fluffy if someone asks to be identifed as a woman, I am going to identify them as a woman no matter what everyone else calls them. It is respect.

If citizens of a plot of land wish to declare themselves a country, then great, I am happy to call them a country.

@fluffy When the US started, we just started calling ourselves a country until the rest of the world caught on.

We also killed a lot of people over it.

It would be nice to have the universal country designation outcome without the killing part.

@fluffy @lrvick taiwan: *exists*
fluffy: Is this holocaust denial?

@fluffy There is clearly strong historical support of their citizens to be recognized as a country.

China wishes to censor all that share this interpretation.

Those of us in free independent countries should recognize those that also wish to be recognized as free and independent.

@fluffy @lrvick if its really not a country, then take a Chinese passport or visa and try and enter the country. It's totally not like you'd get stopped at customs in the airport because they control their borders, manage their own taxes/finances, have elections, have their own standing army, have a distinct culture/heritage and have cool t91s.
No, the UN (mainly controlled by Russia, the US, and surprise surprise China) refuses to recognize Taiwan, so it could never be a country! *CHUGS CORN SYRUP*
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