@mala how to know the people you're talking to aren't lgbt, t b h.

@mala more seriously, there's actually a really interesting difference in conception around parenthood and family between people who were raised with those things as major bastions against oppressive structures (most racial minorities in america) vs those for whom their family is a major vector for their marginalization (most queer people).

I would be fascinated to read an anthropological study that contrasted the two, although you don't have to be a genius to see the way it's shaped communities+priorities

@nightpool @mala I had a similar experience on the Cypherpunks mailing list, which was, like WHERE AM I HOLY FRICK.

@nightpool @mala you can't ever fully contrast queer people and racial minorities because… that tends to leave out all the queer racial minorities. but on the flipside i don't think it's hard to see how the combination of these two factors can leave our queer youth of color especially vulnerable.

@kibi @mala oh yeah by "the two" here I mean "the two methods of support", not POC vs. queer people or anything like that. obviously this picture is doubly compounded for people who intersect these areas.

@mala Comparing keeping a tight control on what videos my toddler watches with filtering gay teens' search results, as some in this thread have is, well, facile and ignorant.

@aldeka @mala I agree that those are not the same, and you're right that the amount of autonomy that children should have depends on their age. But since it's hard to build systems that can do the former but not the latter, it seems entirely appropriate to make that comparison.

@mala @aldeka

I read the original tweet as talking about tools to evade censorship/surveillance, which people could potentially use to bypass parental controls, and people talking about how to make an exception. I think the "gay teen" case is highly relevant there, and the "toddler on YouTube" case less so.

@aldeka
@mala Same view here. It's a parent's role to intermediate life for children, and a child's role to gradually assert autonomy as they grow mature and ready. There's natural tension there, there should be. But making it impossible to mediate just means that kids get banned from things instead of gradually exposed.

@mala @aldeka Also, an aside: the same conditional-account-permissions that would enable parental controls would be a necessity for org accounts anyway. E.g. putting your nonprofit or company on Masto or SS would be easier with revokable, permissioned access.

@maiki @mala I misread ICBM as YGBM, which is "You Gotta Believe Me" from Rainbow's End... effectively, mind control via broadcast media.

There's no evidence that YGBM is a near-term threat... or is there? Maybe news, social, other input filtering is sufficient to train a brain maliciously towards certain ends.