@maiki I think this person was me... I think what I was saying was "it turns out that Slack mostly showed that nerds had the right design with IRC and XMPP MUC (which, while less popular, can do the things Slack can do that IRC can't) right all along, but what we didn't do was make it accessible to the general public, which is what Slack managed to do really well."
I'll put this out there: I don't consider #IRC to be a candidate for team chat.
* How does IRC develop?
* External system for archiving and search
* File sharing is weird
* Clients are weird
* Prefers commands over clicking
Super fun tech! But the teams that use it either depend on a third-party (which is fine in many cases), or have an engineer (or likely an IRC fan) to run the whole stack for them.
Team web chat is manageable. If your storage starts to fill, let folks know, add more disk, good to go. Grow a bunch, kick it up, because you are making money.
But in order to offer team web chat to a larger community, to provide the same level of service, you have to plan on scalable storage. Can anyone do that without monetizing?
This makes me think that the web-based ones work for teams (as a shared space for ambient documentation and file sharing), but not as a public service.
Of course #jabber exceeds at scale due to federation. Like email.
Tried to stay with #waterfox cause of #firefoxquantum update but screen tearing in yt videos reminded me the horror of constant bugfixing. I guess I'll have to learn how to live without proper tab management (which btw even #palemoon has). I like the speed but I'd be happier with "just" better version of FF56 with legacy addons
Ok, I played with #firefox57 yesterday evening and... I have mixed feelings. It is faster, but so what? 56 is already fast enough. Does it really make a difference to render a page in 3s rather than in 5? I save hours in the long run, I get it, but I loose tens of them by not being able to manage my tabs poperly. How people do that without extensions like tabmix plus or panorama? How can people have 50 tabs open and find their stuff? Please enlighten me.