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@aral Like the statement. But please consider using another image than the kraken as it is an antisemitic trope

@michakees Hey Michael, I appreciate that the image of an octopus has been historically/even recently used for this purpose but I’m not sure that comparing a multinational corporation to a Giant squid from Norse mythology has the same connotation. That said, do you have any suggestions for alternative metaphors?

@aral This is Marina Weisband, a Jewish author, giving an explanation of why the kraken metaphor is antisemitic - even if you don't have Jews in mind. I've added the subtitles. (CC BY 3.0,
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@michakees @aral @tracktor @codiflow I really can't follow that argument. It is correct that kraken as a metaphor might be an oversimplified thought. But to consider it antisemitic because "it might harm jews" and was sometimes used against Jews?!

In my opinion intention matters. The word "Jew" itself is sometimes used against Jews with a negative accentuation. The word or metaphor itself isn't the problem.

What I try to focus on is how the word might be interpreted by the people I want to communicate with. And quite frankly: This is the first time I heard somebody interpreting kraken as antisemitic. I didn't have that association and I suspect most people also don't have it. It wouldn't be used by ARD or ZDF if that association would be common.


i was confused by the above post too. but then went to do some research.

think of it like this - similar to swastika, which is ancient mythological symbol, the kraken/octopus was used by antisemitic literature, nazi propaganda and conspiracy theory writers as a symbol of world domination by jews. it simply carries this connotation to many. i didn't know that but it now makes a lot of sense.

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