@dansup @michelamarie 5 years of CS taught me a lot of cool stuff. But about 0 practical things for Web development. Sure foundations and so on... but also relatively little focus. If you know what u want, time can be spent much better

@Transflux @dansup Well, I won't dispute that, or suggest that there's anything wrong with not having a degree (absolutely not!).

That said, college and university give one so much more than just the foundations in a given profession, be it CS, finance, or what ever.

The thing is, a university education teaches one *how* to learn, and how to think rationally. Then, it shows one how to put that knowledge and thinking to work on hard problems.


@Transflux @dansup Then there's all those other courses that are required for a degree -- languages and literature, math, Earth sciences, social sciences, economics, philosophy, that are instrumental in developing one's understanding of the world and how to operate within it. People often seem to underestimate those, but I am quite convinced they are at least as important for one's life and career as those directly applied to a major.

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@Transflux @dansup Finally, there's information like this (bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/unemploy).

At the *macro* level, people with university degrees simply make a lot more money, and are a lot less likely to find themselves unemployed or automated out of a job.

Of course, that's statistically speaking. So there are plenty of examples of people without degrees who make just as much money, and are just as unlikely to be unemployed, but it is not usual.

@Transflux @dansup All that said, I totally hear you. One definitely does not *need* a degree to become a very good web developer

My comments mainly came from hearing about dansup's story & abilities & deciding to encourage him. I'm a huge advocate for higher education. I believe that everyone who wants to attend should be able to do so, and that it helps elevate society and people's lives. Even so, it's not something everyone has to or wants to do, which I very much understand & respect. πŸ™‚

@michelamarie @dansup I agree on everything :), and of course the facts... are facts. Ethics should be mandatory for all sciences. Now with ml, it becomes more apparent. Philosophy of science... but 5 years for orientation.... :abloblamp:

@a_breakin_glass @michelamarie @dansup totally. I have to admit, I was the first in our university cs program with BSc. / MSc. In germany. the structure was all over place. Semesters full time classes, breaks full time learning for exams.Only at the end of my master there were some things fixed in this regards for next generations. Good thing studying was cheap. Just for the debts u make (at least in the u.s. ... that's just crazy) .
How's Canada?

@Transflux @dansup Yah. I think it's always tougher, but probably exciting, to study under a newer degree program

Canada is amazing! πŸ˜€ I actually got my undergrad in the US. That school was solid, but not as good as the school I went to for my master's degree. The schools in Canada are of very high quality. The cost is generally higher here than Europe & generally less than in the US

I really loved getting my degree here (and my undergrad too!). I learned so much, and did a lot of cool stuff!

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