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okay, story time

how did smol kins originally get into programming?

well you see, I literally like one day decided that I wanted to be a hacker basically just because people had been telling me I should my whole life because I was good with computers.

so I googled around and ended up reading "How to Become a Hacker" by Eric S. Raymond and it's lowkey stuck with me ever since. its suggestions included to learn how to program and to get a *nix and learn how to use it.

I mention this because having people compliment my code takes me back to that. the idea that being a 'hacker' is something that's earned. so on some level having that happen makes me think "well fuck, I made it :')"

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@claire @diamaterialista
Honestly it took me years to realize how much of my negative personality was due to learning about software via ESR's writing as an easily influenced teen.

I was thinking the other day: I'd love an updated Jargon File with more feminism and less hero-worship.

@mikeburns @diamaterialista tbh this seems like a great fucking idea and i'd love to contribute to it.

@mikeburns @diamaterialista especially if we include more queer-hacker-culture terms too

@claire @mikeburns @diamaterialista this would be great.
esr's writing was such a truly truly awful influence on me as a child. fucked up

@mikeburns @diamaterialista @claire I spent quite a few of my teenage years on Slashdot, where there was plenty of that toxic right-technolibertarian culture that ESR promoted.

How the hell I managed to get /out/ of that culture, I'm still not entirely sure.

@bhtooefr @mikeburns @claire @anotak @woozle tbh I feel a little guilty for starting this conversation by basically sorta praising ESR but I'm really loving it, y'all are all awesome :)

@diamaterialista @bhtooefr @mikeburns @claire @anotak

I too found esr enjoyable, once upon a time. Even assholes can contribute useful understandings.

FWIW, esr has called me an idiot. I think I'm complimented ;-) issuepedia.org/User:Woozle/esr

@anotak @claire @mikeburns @bhtooefr @diamaterialista

(oops... if anyone tried to read those transcripts, there are some munged characters making most of it invisible. Fixing that now...)

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@diamaterialista @bhtooefr @claire @anotak @woozle
No no, I must apologize - I shouldn't have used your thread to complain about ESR. Clearly whatever path got you started worked out really well!

@mikeburns @woozle @anotak @claire @bhtooefr @diamaterialista

Kinsey: keep hacking.

As the thread has gone sideways: ESR is the reason I released a "conferences must have a harrassment policy for me to attend as a guest" policy. Not because I know of any harassment from him (though I would be totally not shocked), but because his arguments against such policies make the case for them so strongly.

@mikeburns @diamaterialista @claire Someone should totally take on a modern, more inclusive Jargon File.

@mikeburns @mwlucas @claire I saw someone mention this at one point yesterday, not sure how good of a jumping-off point it might be for such a project github.com/bashrc/TheJargonFil