cool, my numworks open source pocket calculator arrived!
@mntmn I just looked up this thing, and you can code in python on this thing?! This calc looks neat!
@mntmn That's really pretty
@mntmn This isn't open source. It's licensed CC-NC-ND. Not only can't you sell it, you can't even make modified versions.
@mntmn Well, now it looks like the software is licensed CC-NC-SA instead, so you can make modified versions now. Still not open source, but closer.
@kragen you mean it’s not free software, right
@mntmn Exactly, it's not open source.
@kragen OK so the correct term would be source-available or something?
@mntmn Sure, that works.
@kragen thanks for pointing it out, i overlooked that in all enthusiasm
@mntmn yeah, it looks super cool in a lot of ways! and it's definitely a lot more open than a TI-84
that is for sure an odd choice of license for source code. but i'm a bit befuddled as to how cc-by-nc-sa licensed source code wouldn't be considered "open source", or free software. is there some non-obvious to me loophole in the CC or something on account of it not having had been designed for software?
@juliebean @mntmn No, neither the FSF's definition of free software nor the Debian Free Software Guidelines permit noncommercial-use restrictions. The Free Software Definition says, "A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer unusual; such free commercial software is very important." https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
The DFSG's point 1 is almost word-for-word identical to the OSD's.
@juliebean @mntmn It turns out that letting people into your free software "community" whose position is "I can sell this program but nobody else is allowed to" — like Numworks — makes it less of a "community" and more of a "customer base". So, perhaps surprisingly, forbidding commercial-use restrictions is critically important to preventing community capture by commercial interests.
@mntmn I've been considering getting one just for kicks, but it is not inexpensive. How do you like it?
@descartez so far so good, still need to do some real calculations ;)
@mntmn I've been thinking of the dnd python scripts you could write on it.
@mntmn Has anyone implemented a Super Mario clone on it yet?
@mntmn I wonder if you contacted them and discussed their reasoning, could you encourage them to adopt something Libre that meets their needs, like AGPL?
@mntmn oh wow. I've been looking for a decent graphing calculator and this one is 100% nerd compatible and beautiful and not very expensive and open source? Take my money!
@kurisu not out of the box, but https://github.com/boricj/numworks-rpn/blob/master/README.md
@mntmn Oh snap, I didn't even know that was a thing, and it looks heckin awesome. For a reasonable price too! I'm sold.
@mntmn Whoooooaaaaaaaaa where did you get that???!!!
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