I was DISTINCTLY TOLD, in the 1990s, that if we put computers into all the things it would make us all super-smart and super-sexy and super-kind and we would all live in houses made of translucent plastic and acid dance and rainforests and we would specifically NOT become a society of giant raging dumbass jerks selling fake nutritional supplements to Nazis.

There were RECEIPTS. Money changed HANDS.

I wish to complain to the MANAGEMENT.

@natecull My mentor in graduate school once wrote a book that expounded the former.

He now writes books mostly about how money and technology have formed an unholy marriage that is ruining the whole world. He's the most gentle and kind and wonderful human, and the most heartbroken person I know, because not only did he believe, he was one of the *prophets*.

@TheGibson @natecull Yeah, but not all of us published books and built our public reputation and our writing and teaching careers on it. I was a proselytizer, but he was John the bloody Baptist.

@natecull @TheGibson Maybe? Probably, if you remember the 90s the way I do. 💖

His name is Douglas Rushkoff.

@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

omg Yes I remember him. Not personally, but he was out there with William Gibson, Douglas Coupland, Ray Kurzweil, and the ghost of Timothy Leary

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberia_

@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

Those were the BBS years for me. Just getting plugged into Usenet. the Web still only a faint a glimmer on my horizon.

@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

<<a very special moment in our recent history – a moment when anything seemed possible. When an entire subculture – like a kid at a rave trying virtual reality for the first time – saw the wild potentials of marrying the latest computer technologies with the most intimately held dreams and the most ancient spiritual truths. It is a moment that predates America Online, twenty million Internet subscribers, Wired magazine, Bill Clinton, and the information superhighway.>>

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@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

<<Rushkoff's first book was originally penned in 1992 but was not published until 1994 due to publisher concerns that electronic mail and the Internet were still obscure topics unlikely to gain traction.>>

lol

@natecull @TheGibson Oh, if only they hadn't, and it was still just a bunch of us dorks on BBS and chat rooms making friends all over the world.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull

Um... at the risk of taking the cyber-shaman thing too far...

Is that not what we are doing right now?

I believe the fediverse to be the cure to the missing future we once envisioned.

Given time, we could have the simple good we had hoped for.

@thegibson @SuzanEraslan

In 1993, I was at Bible college and wrote a paper on how I thought the future of the church was going to be on electronic discussion forums

(cos I was doing Fidonet at the time)

I don't know what my tutor made of it.

tbh that year was in the middle of my my 'finding myself 'period and I... am still somewhat lost, though maybe less so

but yeah.

@natecull @SuzanEraslan

I was already so far into "occult" beliefs... I had a strange early path though...

A form of privilege in it's own right.

I grew up poor, but had just the right combination of influences to believe I could do anything.

And thus far it's worked out pretty ok.

@TheGibson @natecull I think there's more similarity between the church (at a level where you're in basically divinity school) and the occult than people want to acknowledge. The ecstasy of the divine crosses the details of belief, you know?

@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

Very yes.

I think that most people who have practical meditative / contemplative / psychedelic experiences are glimpsing part of the same reality. At least, from the stories I've heard, I see repeated elements that match up.

The idea that we're all united under the hood, so to speak, and it's more about how long it takes us to *realise* that.

@natecull @SuzanEraslan
Yes.

Damn, it feels good to know we are not alone out there.

@natecull

@SuzanEraslan @TheGibson
I like to call it the transcendental nature of subjective human experience. Its fascinating.

@TheGibson @natecull Yeah, I mean, I've been on Mastodon for about a year and a half, and it often still feels like that first breath of potential and connection and the kind of globalism that's about knowing people all over the world instead of exploiting people all over the world. The global village, instead of the global factory, if you will.

As the fediverse expands, though, I've felt the tremors of the other internet, like thunder you can't hear yet but can feel, and it makes me nervous.

@natecull @TheGibson Can I be a total early internet dork though and say... THIS moment, this is the kind of thing that I had missed for so long, and I am so happy that the possibility of it exists again, and so appreciative of you, two, specifically, right this second.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull

I know how you feel.

It is a spirit of joy.

It indeed brings tears, ever so sublime

@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

Thank you!

The same to you.

Recognising that that spark is still alive, it makes my day / week / month.

@natecull @SuzanEraslan

I know Susan's thunder is ever present... but we are building something good out here, in the void.

And as our generation ages, it may indeed end up being our legacy that we reclaimed the internet.

Regardless of their rules, regardless of expectation.

Simply because it was good, and right.

@TheGibson @natecull Oh, wow, even if I, personally, am never associated with such a thing, I will die really happy knowing we did that.

Let's DO that.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull

I think it's a great goal.

Achievable too.

Look, we know the silos are vulnerable... we see it daily now.

People are ready to walkaway from the spying and harassment.

And when the people like us begin to leave, their gears begin to rust.

I want to leave the rust upon their gear.

I want to be the rust upon their fears.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull @thegibson

1) I love this thread

2) I love the Federation for bringing back some of the early Internet feels back to us. I have missed them so much.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull

Same.

But I think that we may have to keep moving to the edge to keep our fediverse what it is... in fact it's no different than what we've always done... we just got lost in the homogenization for a while there.

@TheGibson @natecull Yeah, that's definitely one of the things that I really missed about the old days, is that we weren't all on the same networks, even if we were on the same platforms (BBS, IRC, the Geocities javascript chat rooms where I *really* discovered my people)-- there were divisions and neighborhoods and cultures that sprung up, and it wasn't that you were keeping other people out, it's that you were keeping your people in.

Imagine if everyone had been on the same IRC channel?!

@SuzanEraslan @natecull I've run into a few people out here that I knew back then...#irc folk.

Small world when you run in these circles.

@TheGibson @natecull I haven't, yet, except for my best meat space friend who was on those old channels. Which surprises me, in some ways, but doesn't in others, because, for the most part, even though we sent each other snail mail and physical photos and exchanged comic books and the like... I didn't actually *know most of their names.* But I can reel off their handles to this day, and it's been 20+ years.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull

I have already decreed to my circle here that I do not want to know their given names.

My name, my server... they pose the age old question... is Batman Bruce Wayne, or is Bruce Wayne Batman?

Which one is the mask.

I believe that The_Gibson is the best me.

I believe the same about many others out here.

@SuzanEraslan @thegibson

It was around 1999 that I logged into the Interactive Fiction MUD and met the circle of wonderful folks there (Emily Short and others) and for nearly a decade that was my spiritual home.

It was a haven on the Internet and one of the reasons was that it used old technology so there was a sort of a built-in wall against spammers and abuse.

The door was always open, but to want to get in you had to *care*. And then you picked up the culture, which was kind.

@natecull @TheGibson Yeah, that's the thing I LOVE about and am fiercely defensive of on Mastodon. The culture is defended by practicing it daily, and encouraging those who are new to practice it, too.

That *does* happen on those other sites, but the culture is toxic and destructive, but wow, are you "rewarded" for falling in line with it.

@natecull @TheGibson He kept a pair of Timothy Leary's sneakers in his office that Leary had given to him when he knew he was dying with the note saying, "I trust you to walk in my shoes when I'm gone." 😭

I also own the toy glockenspiel that he played on "Godstar" when he was briefly in Psychic TV. Douglas is one of the greatest humans, and the reason I went to that school in the first place. They say don't meet your heroes, but in some cases, it's GREAT.

@SuzanEraslan @natecull @thegibson check out his podcast Team Human on teamhuman.fm where Rushkoff has thoughtful and deep conversations on the relationship between humanity and code. He still writes excellent books like "Throwing rocks at the Google Bus" and "Present Shock"

@frankmeeuwsen @natecull @TheGibson Yeah, and Team Human is gonna be a book— basically a manifesto on this very topic.

Y’all... I gotta get him over here on Mastodon. He would love it here.

@SuzanEraslan @frankmeeuwsen @natecull

We'd love to have him.

I don't have to tell you how much of an icon he is.

@frankmeeuwsen

If only we could tempt him on.. :)

Even just announcements of teamhuman.fm episodes would be good.

@SuzanEraslan @Rushkoff @thegibson @natecull

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