Unpopular green opinion:

CO2 Neutrality is the same economically as Peak Oil. It means voluntarily putting your country through the 1970s oil price shocks, again, only much stronger, and permanently.

For those of you who don't remember the 1970s... well, that brief price scare led to the Carter Doctrine which led to (points at the Middle East) what's currently on fire there.

We can't lower CO2 emissions with cheap oil.

CO2 neutrality is worth it. But getting there will not be a fun ride.

New Zealand's experience with Carbon Neutrality so far has been getting involved in a Carbon Credits trading scheme (good) that America wasn't interested in joining (bad) and then discovering that all the credits we were trading to Russia to supposedly plant trees were, well. It was Russia.

I don't feel bad though that our current government is apparently spending money to plant a whole lot of trees. That's at least something positive that can be done.

@natecull Partially true, except so much worse.

It's like peak oil for the consumers, but for the producers it means not selling the product that has made them wealthy.

How do you convince powerful nation-states to stop producing and selling something that useful and valuable?

Is there a plan, or just hand-waving about the market?

I'm worried about this.

@natecull Take into account that technological progress doesn't reduce consumption because it leads to lower prices, which lead to new applications.

If we apply that backwards, there's probably some frivolous uses we can slash.

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