Two mutually exclusive things I want:

* Everything is a live stream of filtering/reducing functions over Lisplike tokens (because reactive and symbolic and literate)

* Everything is also an object (because safe)

You'd think that a function could *be* an object. You just keep 'sending' it (applying it to) a sequence of values, those are the messages.

But how does it receive the 'end stream' message? What value is that?

A similar problem to

.apply-filter [ .* 2 ] [ 1 2 3 ]

@natecull an object is a materialized view of a live stream

@zens

Yep. That's where I want to get to, using as few core abstractions as possible. On the possibly foolhardy assumption that 1) you can get to global simplicity by using a smaller set of core abstractions, and 2) that simplicity makes things better. Either of which assumptions may be wrong.

@zens

ie we currently have OOP systems which don't even surface their stream of method calls *as* a user-code-facing object, which seems about as helpful as trying to build an Internet with all the packets being completely hidden from software inspection.

@zens

Which is probably one reason why 'microservices' have become such a thing. Because maybe by abstracting out 'message sending' to a protocol, you can build in the parts of message sending that didn't make it into C++.

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And no, I have no idea how we square 'safety comes from data hiding' with 'safety comes from correctness, which comes from radical openness to inspection'. Two fundamentally competing philosophies, it seems.

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And especially when my idea of 'safety' also includes 'putting as many things as possible under the control of the end-user, because societies running on centralised private computing systems are an apocalyptic doomsday scenario for democracy'

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