"Just go zero-waste!" is to environmentalism as "Just give up all the software you currently use and vet, hack, and troubleshoot all of your software yourself, building an encyclopedic knowledge of all the ways you're tracked and blocking each one!" is to infosec

It shouldn't be our responsibility to keep companies from stealing our data, nor should it be our responsibility to keep them from giving us plastic packaging. Especially when the alternatives are so inaccessible to the average person. Stop blaming the victim


@socalledunitedstates the elitism around computing and tech work is so disgusting, i can’t believe that ive been at it my entire life and people still talk to me like an absolute moron. open source communities are some of the worst, and not only is it ignored, in many cases this nastiness is encouraged (see the Arch Linux community, for a good example)

What/where are some of these examples you peak of in the Arch community? I don't mean that facetiously at all; I sincerely would would like to know about this! I like Arch Linux as a distro. It's not a purist distro, in that it offers some non-free packages - but it does a better job than many desktop distros in that regard (at least in making it possible to avoid many non-free packages). Much better than Ubuntu, for example, and not to mention all the other ways Ubuntu has let the community down. That said, I've been itching to give Parabola a go (which is an Arch derivative with zero non-free components). I try to use as little non-free as I can already, without driving the rest of my family, and the people I've helped convert, back to M$ products, haha. Anyways... my train of thought derailed a bit there, but yeah, I'd really just like to see some of this Arch 'nastiness'! I'd want to know if my desktop distro of choice is associated with things I find to be ideologically incompatible! Thanks for bringing this to my attention @nutsling !
Wow, that has not been my experience with Arch at all. Granted, it has been a while since I’ve gone on IRC for help. I mostly just use the wiki, which is pretty great in general. I’ve tried to contribute a little where it did seem lacking (very small contributions) and I did experience some pickiness but I think that was more about just keeping high standards with regards to consistent conventions and style - not necessarily egos or douchebaggery. Also, I have seen the debates over AUR frontends (in forums, not IRC), but the arguments I’ve seen do have merits. For example, one argument is that using such utilities promotes laziness with with regard to reviewing configs, making it extremely easy for milicious code or compromised sources to slip by unnoticed when the process is automated. I do use ‘yaourt’ personally, so I’m not in that anti-front end camp, but I do see the validity of the cautioning against them. Personally, I have yet to encounter a malicious AUR package, but I get it, the potential for trouble is there... and admittedly I have occasionally been too rushed/lazy to throughly inspect package configs or even hastily added a signature to get something installed ASAP. I guess I justify this because I use Arch on desktops/laptops - not my more critical servers. I must admit though, given how few problems Arch gives me and how much I hate major version disto upgrades, I’d love to run a rolling-release disto like Arch on a server! Ha. Anyways, I’m just rambling now... I’m just really sorry you’ve had such bad experience with Arch. I suspect it might be more a problem with large IRC channels, I have seen such behavior in many such channels and maybe it’s that Arch has become a busier channel since my last visit. I don’t doubt what you say, just providing my own perspective on things. Good chatting :)
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