@orionwl One without the Netherlands as an independent state at this rate!
@dammkewl I could live with that if nation states will increasingly lose relevancy
@orionwl So true! My problem in this case is not losing the Netherlands as an independent state though, but instead the cause of all of this: another state trying to replace the current ones in place...
@dammkewl @orionwl the upload filter thing is probably the least terrible internet censorship idea coming down from EU. What annoys me the most is that Dutch politicians, representing the country in the EU, hardly care about these issues either and usually just vote in favor. Even parties that are somewhat classical liberal, internet is a non-issue for them. Nation states aren't losing their relevance anytime soon, but the song by Henk Westbrook is relevant here: not many other places to go.
@sjors @dammkewl @orionwl Overall, it seems the EU is a cancer that's out of control. Therefore IDGAF what brilliant new Internet rules they come up with. EU headlines get worse every day, the whole thing stinks, and will Europeans do anything about it? The "EU" (whatever that is) doesn't seem sustainable to me. Wouldn't be surprised if the lines on the map there get redrawn, maybe in the 2020s? But what do I know, never been there :-D Hope for the best... #brexit
@pj @dammkewl @orionwl "IDGAF what brilliant new Internet rules they come up with" you should though. Even in the extremely unlikely even NL exits, which would be economic suicide, EU law would remain in place initially. And if censorship gets out of hand, that could make it very difficult to fight those laws, because you wouldn't be able to organize a movement.
@sjors @pj @dammkewl you aren't wrong, but after almost 20 years (can't believe how long 9/11 was ago) of non-stop worrying about what oppressive things politics will come up with next, I'm kind of beyond GAF
I cannot do anything but admit, no matter how much I worry, I cannot change those things anyway
my voice has no value—I just hope my tech has, and will make a difference, in the long term at least
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