The darktable user manual is largely outdated. Problem is it uses an esoteric kind of XML required by a brittle software stack (Saxon) to be compiled into HTML or PDF.
This complexity steers away many contributors.
But thanks to Chris Elston, @secretlifeofmatt and @paperdigits, it is being rewritten in Markdown with a better "tutorial" approach.
Contribute :

@darktable @secretlifeofmatt @paperdigits

but why on github and not on @codeberg

Give your free project a free home.


No tracking. Your data is not for sale.

@mondstern because there will always be a newer, cooler and nicer plateform somewhere else, but at some point the job needs to be done. We can't switch platforms every year, it's too much overhead for everyone.

(To be clear, "the job" is developing image processing software, not developing migration scripts and other tools to set the tools to set the tools to do the job).

@secretlifeofmatt @paperdigits @codeberg

@darktable @mondstern @paperdigits @codeberg I really appreciate your huge work, but quitting Microsoft's github is not a matter of features, but privacy and freedom.

@marcelcosta @darktable @codeberg @mondstern I'm sure codeberg is great, but this kind of bikeshedding is not productive.

@paperdigits @darktable @codeberg @mondstern I'm sorry, but I disagree. I was not focusing in codeberg (which may be great) but in Microsoft's github. Personally, the main reason I use most of the free software is because ethical motivation. So is not a trivial aspect.

@marcelcosta @darktable @codeberg @mondstern I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you saying you're not going to contribute because of github? Will you not read the docs because github? Or something else?

@paperdigits @darktable @codeberg @mondstern No, at least at the short run. But Microsoft controlling the majority of the free software is something that concerns me for sure. Do you think it doesn't matter?

"Embrace, extend, extinguish".

@marcelcosta @darktable @codeberg @mondstern They certainly do no control our project. It's git, so you just clone it, then push it somewhere else.

It s disappointing that we are some 800 person hours into rewriting the docs, and all you can say is "ugh, Microsoft." No thanks.

@paperdigits @darktable @codeberg @mondstern If you read my comments, the first think I do is thank your effort and your very good software.

And if you think that the reppository owner don't have some degree of control in the process... well, ok. I'm not saying I will not appreciate your efforts and your software, am I just concerned about Microsoft embrace of the free software community.

@marcelcosta @darktable @codeberg @mondstern when github becomes an obvious hindrance, I'm sure we'll leave. But I don't think anyone in the project sees that yet, even if you still view Microsoft as an existential threat.

@paperdigits @darktable @codeberg @mondstern Wow... 😨 Several things:

1. My intention wasn't judging anyone from the darktable project, a software I love, admire and use for several years (which I explicit in the first message). If anyone felt so, I do apologize.

2. I was not the first asking to move from github, I was just elaborating on other user's comment than moving from github to other free software solutions was a matter of ethics (you can disagree, but the focus is there) rather than more features or coolness. Thats why I don't understand a direct message saying something like "your opinion doesn't bother us".

3.I'm not the only one concernedwith github purchased by Microsoft. Projects like KDE, Gnome or Gimp migrated to gitlab right after the transaction. In addition, developers from some countries were blocked shortly after.

@marcelcosta @darktable @mondstern if the ethics of it all are so important to you and everyone else on this thread who are choosing to focus on platform choice rather than the efforts us volunteers have put into trying to improve a project that we value, the please maintain a separate code base on a platform that aligns with your ethics. The people who agree with you will flock to that and improve darktable so much that we will be overwhelmed and grateful.

@paperdigits @darktable @mondstern I would happily donate monthly to the project (I didn't find any link, maybe I should look further) to support human resources and infrastructures as a community.
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