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@popey yes but stop compare Win and Linux, this are different OSs and teach them how to use this properly.
P.S. stop using Ubuntu as server OS!
@popey those are fairly good reasons for avoiding ElementaryOS. Its been well known for a while its hardly a functional distro.
@tromino @hj @popey on paper great but these also trigger vulnerabilities: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-16613/Flatpak.html
@paperdigits @tromino @popey you already have maintainers for all packages in your system. Running things as flatpak means you lose tracking of all vulnerabilities in every flatpak package... Flatpak is fine as an exception in your system, using it to install everything goes against the way distros are built.
@popey @paperdigits @tromino Let's take the example of Debian, it has more than 25k packages and there's the orphaned packages here: https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned it's a fraction of the total number of packages. You can also see that obsolete go and python module constitute a large bunch of it.
@boilingsteam @tromino @popey this "as an exception" argument makes no sense, as when you install a single app, you generally get the runtimes as well. And you don't loose track of vulnerabilities, you can track them if you like. The flatpak manifest is declarative, so you know exactly what versions of libraries you're running.
@popey I remember getting red hat disks from my local library when I was 10 or 11 and accidentally deleting my new windows xp install off my computer.
Sometimes the best lessons are the painful ones.
I've been recommending Raspbian PC (Raspberry Pi Desktop for PC and Mac to give it its full title) to beginners because it's lightweight, more like Windows in most ways and easy to use (easier than Windows these days and certainly more user-friendly than stock Debian/Ubuntu), however I know I should find a more open project to recommend; I just can't find one as good!
@popey what is surprising to me are the strong opinions like "people shouldn't do X" or "stop doing y". Isn't the beauty of the Linux/FOSS projects that they don't lock people in and we can still do all the things that need doing no matter the desktop or server distro?
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